This is getting bloody ridiculous!
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/11/30/paren...-in-court/
Doesnt matter how nutty the whole thing sounds, this is a childs life here and we are seeing this case go through the courts, meanwhile this childs life is in limbo.
Ironically the Jehovahs Witnesses get to receive their medical care of "their" choice and the hospitals are more than happy to perform the same kind of surgeries with
NO blood and risk the childs death!
When I was in the Jehovahs Witness cult, it was quite common to hear stories about members having such operations.
I know of 2 babies that received open heart surgery and one story made national headlines.
The JW's often like using these positive stories for publicity too.
It is very rare in NZ for JW cases to go to court over refusing blood.
Whats going on here? What is the big deal if they want to choose their blood donors?
It's all about not wanting to set precedents. If the parents are granted their wish it also could be seen as a vindication of their claims about 'vaccinated' blood being somehow different.
So if this decision goes the way of the parents then what next? Vegan only blood, heterosexual only blood, Maori only blood...
(02-12-2022, 09:54 AM)harm_less Wrote: [ -> ]It's all about not wanting to set precedents. If the parents are granted their wish it also could be seen as a vindication of their claims about 'vaccinated' blood being somehow different.
So if this decision goes the way of the parents then what next? Vegan only blood, heterosexual only blood, Maori only blood...
Exactly!
They are politicizing the whole thing.
It would have been better if they quietly just given them the blood and no one would have noticed.
I dont think this can be compared to blood between race or sexuality anyway, we are talking about a medication here.
While there is not a huge amount of medications that can affect your eligibility to donate, its still a factor on your eligibility, some do require a stand down period, so this fact here is that at least they are acknowledged.
https://www.nzblood.co.nz/knowledge-hub/...-vaccines/
https://www.nzblood.co.nz/become-a-donor...-criteria/
Interestingly enough they only just revised the guidelines around sexuality.
https://www.nzblood.co.nz/assets/Uploads...and-QA.pdf
(02-12-2022, 10:45 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: [ -> ] (02-12-2022, 09:54 AM)harm_less Wrote: [ -> ]It's all about not wanting to set precedents. If the parents are granted their wish it also could be seen as a vindication of their claims about 'vaccinated' blood being somehow different.
So if this decision goes the way of the parents then what next? Vegan only blood, heterosexual only blood, Maori only blood...
Exactly!
They are politicizing the whole thing.
It would have been better if they quietly just given them the blood and no one would have noticed.....
The whole antivax thing is about making their actions into political statements. Even if the health system had done this one the quiet you can bet the parents and their entourage would have shouted it from the rooftops.
Yep the parents are making a political point at the expense of their babies health - they should be locked up...
No way the health service should have to completely disregard all the safety systems they have put in place for the collection of blood. At the end of the day, we the people will end up paying for any unforeseen health outcomes that may be introduced by the use of an unvaxxed (direct, I think they call it?) donor...
Okay. For my upcoming hip op I insist on blood from males, 6ft 4, bearded, green eyed, in the 35 to 45 age group.
After all, if they can discriminate so can I..
I'm inclined to say just give the baby blood for pity's sake - he can't help having whacko fruitloop parents. But then, as others have pointed out we have a precedent.
In the past parents have been prevented from allowing their child to die by refusing various procedures.
(02-12-2022, 10:45 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: [ -> ] (02-12-2022, 09:54 AM)harm_less Wrote: [ -> ]It's all about not wanting to set precedents. If the parents are granted their wish it also could be seen as a vindication of their claims about 'vaccinated' blood being somehow different.
So if this decision goes the way of the parents then what next? Vegan only blood, heterosexual only blood, Maori only blood...
Exactly!
They are politicizing the whole thing.
It would have been better if they quietly just given them the blood and no one would have noticed.
I dont think this can be compared to blood between race or sexuality anyway, we are talking about a medication here.
While there is not a huge amount of medications that can affect your eligibility to donate, its still a factor on your eligibility, some do require a stand down period, so this fact here is that at least they are acknowledged.
https://www.nzblood.co.nz/knowledge-hub/...-vaccines/
https://www.nzblood.co.nz/become-a-donor...-criteria/
Interestingly enough they only just revised the guidelines around sexuality.
https://www.nzblood.co.nz/assets/Uploads...and-QA.pdf
There's not a chance in hell that these idiots would 'have kept quiet about the whole thing' - they'd have been yelling as loudly as they could about it & claiming victory.
(02-12-2022, 11:41 AM)harm_less Wrote: [ -> ] (02-12-2022, 10:45 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly!
They are politicizing the whole thing.
It would have been better if they quietly just given them the blood and no one would have noticed.....
The whole antivax thing is about making their actions into political statements. Even if the health system had done this one the quiet you can bet the parents and their entourage would have shouted it from the rooftops.
It doesn't and shouldn't have anything to do with vaccines.
It's to do with your right to reject or accept medical treatment.
I've heard of many stories where family or friends will come to donate blood in an emergency.
You dont have to even give a reason why. It's one of their business.
(02-12-2022, 11:54 AM)king1 Wrote: [ -> ]Yep the parents are making a political point at the expense of their babies health - they should be locked up...
No way the health service should have to completely disregard all the safety systems they have put in place for the collection of blood. At the end of the day, we the people will end up paying for any unforeseen health outcomes that may be introduced by the use of an unvaxxed (direct, I think they call it?) donor...
If that's the case, my unvaxxed blood will be worth a ton of money!?
(02-12-2022, 07:28 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022, 11:54 AM)king1 Wrote: [ -> ]Yep the parents are making a political point at the expense of their babies health - they should be locked up...
No way the health service should have to completely disregard all the safety systems they have put in place for the collection of blood. At the end of the day, we the people will end up paying for any unforeseen health outcomes that may be introduced by the use of an unvaxxed (direct, I think they call it?) donor...
If that's the case, my unvaxxed blood will be worth a ton of money!?
nah, the markets not big enough - too few antivaxxers needing treatment and not enough demand...
(02-12-2022, 07:42 PM)king1 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-12-2022, 07:28 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: [ -> ]
If that's the case, my unvaxxed blood will be worth a ton of money!?
nah, the markets not big enough - too few antivaxxers needing treatment and not enough demand...
It will be a huge deal if it does indeed turn out in future that vaccinated people's blood has safety issues, they will be crying out for it!
(02-12-2022, 07:47 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: [ -> ] (02-12-2022, 07:42 PM)king1 Wrote: [ -> ]nah, the markets not big enough - too few antivaxxers needing treatment and not enough demand...
It will be a huge deal if it does indeed turn out in future that vaccinated people's blood has safety issues, they will be crying out for it!
lol, the government could just round up all the antivaxxers and mandate compulsory blood donations - sort of like farming the antivaxxers... I'm sure i've seen a movie along those lines at some stage...
Save the babies life first and foremost, who cares what type of blood is used, this is what happens when you go down the rabbit hole and cant get out. If I were in a life or death situation I wouldn't care what/whose blood they used on me.
And the
court has ruled in favour of the baby. No surprises there but Sue Grey and co will be getting into a real lather at this point. Pass the popcorn.
(07-12-2022, 05:43 PM)harm_less Wrote: [ -> ]And the court has ruled in favour of the baby. No surprises there but Sue Grey and co will be getting into a real lather at this point. Pass the popcorn.
would they be so stupid to appeal and get an injunction?
(07-12-2022, 06:11 PM)king1 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-12-2022, 05:43 PM)harm_less Wrote: [ -> ]And the court has ruled in favour of the baby. No surprises there but Sue Grey and co will be getting into a real lather at this point. Pass the popcorn.
would they be so stupid to appeal and get an injunction?
Surely not, but then you never know. I think this is the right result, a temporary thing only, until they do the operation. Its definitely the best outcome for the baby at this point.
(07-12-2022, 06:11 PM)king1 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-12-2022, 05:43 PM)harm_less Wrote: [ -> ]And the court has ruled in favour of the baby. No surprises there but Sue Grey and co will be getting into a real lather at this point. Pass the popcorn.
would they be so stupid to appeal and get an injunction?
They were stupid enough to remove the baby from hospital and take him into a public courtroom as a prop so I wouldn't put much faith in them to not put him in further potential harm.
And now the meeting between Drs & parents has been hijacked.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/...antivaxxer
"Justice Gault’s decision referenced a meeting between Starship specialists and the baby’s mother on November 23. The boy’s father was not present as he could not be reached by cellphone.
At that meeting, doctors explained “they could not spend more time considering the parents' requests for special donors” given the seriousness of the baby's condition.
“[The baby's] mother became extremely upset and criticised the specialists for cornering her without any support present,” the decision showed.
Two days later, another meeting was organised.
“This meeting was hijacked by the parents' support person who proceeded to pressurise the specialists with her theory about conspiracies in New Zealand and even said that deaths in infants getting transfusions were occurring in Starship Hospital,” the decision said.
“[A doctor] said that after some minutes, the specialists asked to leave and ended up walking out of the meeting with the support person continuing to try to talk to them.
“As a result, they were unable to explain their position to the parents.”
You can be for or against the vaxxine its your choice but to be so friggen stupid as to act the way this person did at such an important meeting is beyond belief.
(08-12-2022, 03:59 PM)Oldfellah Wrote: [ -> ]You can be for or against the vaxxine its your choice but to be so friggen stupid as to act the way this person did at such an important meeting is beyond belief.
Yep, agreed. The parents have now appeared on the Alex Jones programme apparently; which says it all about their views.
I saw that on the news, how would these parents think if the baby died knowing that their stubbornness could have contributed to it? It just shows you what rabbit hole they are down.