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Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - harm_less - 28-09-2025
Like minds in a very interesting discussion on NZ and global economics.
RE: Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - heisenberg - 29-09-2025
(28-09-2025, 09:06 PM)harm_less Wrote: Like minds in a very interesting discussion on NZ and global economics.
thank you for flying thousands of miles out here in business class on the NZ taxpayer
how much wealth is chloe considering as being too wealthy?
Anyone advocating paying more tax is a idiot when the tax already paid is pissed away
RE: Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - king1 - 29-09-2025
(29-09-2025, 04:46 AM)heisenberg Wrote:(28-09-2025, 09:06 PM)harm_less Wrote: Like minds in a very interesting discussion on NZ and global economics.
thank you for flying thousands of miles out here in business class on the NZ taxpayer
how much wealth is chloe considering as being too wealthy?
Anyone advocating paying more tax is a idiot when the tax already paid is pissed away
well lower taxes hasn't really worked out that well for NZ over the last few years. The economy is still stagnating, cost of living increases has far exceeded any tax cuts for the majority and last time I checked the health system is still on life support...
Something has to change - what would you suggest is done?
RE: Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - Oh_hunnihunni - 29-09-2025
(29-09-2025, 04:46 AM)heisenberg Wrote:(28-09-2025, 09:06 PM)harm_less Wrote: Like minds in a very interesting discussion on NZ and global economics.
thank you for flying thousands of miles out here in business class on the NZ taxpayer
how much wealth is chloe considering as being too wealthy?
Anyone advocating paying more tax is a idiot when the tax already paid is pissed away
What if reorganising the tax system resulted in some of us paying less?
RE: Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - harm_less - 29-09-2025
(29-09-2025, 04:46 AM)heisenberg Wrote: thank you for flying thousands of miles out here in business class on the NZ taxpayerOverseas travel is great for broadening your mind beyond the isolation of NZ's day to day squabbles. You should try it some time.
RE: Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - Lilith7 - 29-09-2025
(29-09-2025, 08:23 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote:(29-09-2025, 04:46 AM)heisenberg Wrote: thank you for flying thousands of miles out here in business class on the NZ taxpayer
how much wealth is chloe considering as being too wealthy?
Anyone advocating paying more tax is a idiot when the tax already paid is pissed away
What if reorganising the tax system resulted in some of us paying less?
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Interesting interview - she really doesn't sound like the usual politiicans.
Which can only be good.
“All types of consumption that create a lot of emissions, like buying petrol, flying, eating meat & dairy products, would come not just with a monetary price, but also with an emissions allowance on. They could eat meat, fly, drive a fossil fueled car, buy stuff but they could not do all of these things, & certainly not as much as they pleased.
This would be an extremely powerful but also coercive way to male sure that the current population remained within the emissions budget that internatiional fairness & climate justice demands.”
Limitarianism. The case against extreme wealth.
Ingrid Robeyns
RE: Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - heisenberg - 29-09-2025
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(29-09-2025, 08:32 AM)harm_less Wrote:(29-09-2025, 04:46 AM)heisenberg Wrote: thank you for flying thousands of miles out here in business class on the NZ taxpayerOverseas travel is great for broadening your mind beyond the isolation of NZ's day to day squabbles. You should try it some time.
its even better when your flying business class around the world to attend a climate conference all paid for by the taxpayers, does the green party not have a computer they can do a zoom call over, she’s a hypocrite
yes i should really try overseas travel, i have only ever been to Rarotonga , Fiji, Noumea, Samoa, Vanuatu, Australia several times, America several times, Hawaii, Canada, HongKong, Singapore , Vietnam, Cambodia, China
i should really get out more, be even better if the taxpayer paid the airfares for business class
RE: Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - harm_less - 29-09-2025
(29-09-2025, 01:45 PM)heisenberg Wrote: [Removed: Rule2A]Your criticism for politicians to not be paid for work related travel could also be regarded only as hypocritical as your use of the health and education sectors as they're essentially socialist constructs which is a system you're highly critical of.
(29-09-2025, 08:32 AM)harm_less Wrote: Overseas travel is great for broadening your mind beyond the isolation of NZ's day to day squabbles. You should try it some time.
its even better when your flying business class around the world to attend a climate conference all paid for by the taxpayers, does the green party not have a computer they can do a zoom call over, she’s a hypocrite
yes i should really try overseas travel, i have only ever been to Rarotonga , Fiji, Noumea, Samoa, Vanuatu, Australia several times, America several times, Hawaii, Canada, HongKong, Singapore , Vietnam, Cambodia, China
i should really get out more, be even better if the taxpayer paid the airfares for business class
Truth is we all benefit from the trappings of modern society but the funding of that society is where significant inequities exist. That is the basis of much of criticism raised in this video.
RE: Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - heisenberg - 29-09-2025
(29-09-2025, 03:46 PM)harm_less Wrote:(29-09-2025, 01:45 PM)heisenberg Wrote: [Removed: Rule2A]Your criticism for politicians to not be paid for work related travel could also be regarded only as hypocritical as your use of the health and education sectors as they're essentially socialist constructs which is a system you're highly critical of.
its even better when your flying business class around the world to attend a climate conference all paid for by the taxpayers, does the green party not have a computer they can do a zoom call over, she’s a hypocrite
yes i should really try overseas travel, i have only ever been to Rarotonga , Fiji, Noumea, Samoa, Vanuatu, Australia several times, America several times, Hawaii, Canada, HongKong, Singapore , Vietnam, Cambodia, China
i should really get out more, be even better if the taxpayer paid the airfares for business class
Truth is we all benefit from the trappings of modern society but the funding of that society is where significant inequities exist. That is the basis of much of criticism raised in this video.
nothing hypocritical about spending your days spouting off about climate crises and emissions blabla then sitting your arse in a big old plane heading to London for a waste of time bullshit fest.......and on the taxpayers dime around 15k each way
RE: Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - harm_less - 29-09-2025
One person's "bullshit fest" is anothers action against a global existential crisis. You probably also bitch similarly about protesters travelling to events to raise awareness of social issues when they could be chattering on Facebook about their concerns. All about gaining maximum impact, and demonstrating where your own priorities lie I guess.
RE: Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - Oh_hunnihunni - 29-09-2025
Tell those who lost homes in the floods there's no such thing as climate change...
Funny thing. I remember walking to school in Royal Oak, and jumping on frozen puddles to crack the ice. Never happens these days. In fact a frost is a rare thing in our winters nowadays.
RE: Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - king1 - 29-09-2025
(29-09-2025, 07:51 PM)heisenberg Wrote:15k each way is nothing compared to the total government travel bill... in the millions a year from what i recall...(29-09-2025, 03:46 PM)harm_less Wrote: Your criticism for politicians to not be paid for work related travel could also be regarded only as hypocritical as your use of the health and education sectors as they're essentially socialist constructs which is a system you're highly critical of.
Truth is we all benefit from the trappings of modern society but the funding of that society is where significant inequities exist. That is the basis of much of criticism raised in this video.
nothing hypocritical about spending your days spouting off about climate crises and emissions blabla then sitting your arse in a big old plane heading to London for a waste of time bullshit fest.......and on the taxpayers dime around 15k each way
RE: Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - C_T_Russell - 29-09-2025
(29-09-2025, 01:45 PM)heisenberg Wrote: [Removed: Rule2A]
(29-09-2025, 08:32 AM)harm_less Wrote: Overseas travel is great for broadening your mind beyond the isolation of NZ's day to day squabbles. You should try it some time.
its even better when your flying business class around the world to attend a climate conference all paid for by the taxpayers, does the green party not have a computer they can do a zoom call over, she’s a hypocrite
yes i should really try overseas travel, i have only ever been to Rarotonga , Fiji, Noumea, Samoa, Vanuatu, Australia several times, America several times, Hawaii, Canada, HongKong, Singapore , Vietnam, Cambodia, China
i should really get out more, be even better if the taxpayer paid the airfares for business class
(29-09-2025, 07:51 PM)heisenberg Wrote:(29-09-2025, 03:46 PM)harm_less Wrote: Your criticism for politicians to not be paid for work related travel could also be regarded only as hypocritical as your use of the health and education sectors as they're essentially socialist constructs which is a system you're highly critical of.
Truth is we all benefit from the trappings of modern society but the funding of that society is where significant inequities exist. That is the basis of much of criticism raised in this video.
nothing hypocritical about spending your days spouting off about climate crises and emissions blabla then sitting your arse in a big old plane heading to London for a waste of time bullshit fest.......and on the taxpayers dime around 15k each way
100%
These greens need to practice what they preach, air travel supposedly has the highest carbon footprint, going by the BS they spew out of their mouths.
RE: Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - heisenberg - 30-09-2025
i wonder why she’s not wearing her virtue signalling tea towel
RE: Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - king1 - 30-09-2025
perhaps we could get them to bring all those important meet and greets they're attending to New Zealand, would that be acceptable? Might be a bigger carbon footprint overall, but the Green Party of New Zealand could stand proud...
RE: Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - harm_less - 30-09-2025
(30-09-2025, 07:27 AM)king1 Wrote: perhaps we could get them to bring all those important meet and greets they're attending to New Zealand, would that be acceptable? Might be a bigger carbon footprint overall, but the Green Party of New Zealand could stand proud...Gary Stevenson is actually speaking in Auckland on 4th March next year. You'll have to be quick to secure a ticket though as he's got a huge following across his numerous online channels. Chloe did extremely well to join him in that 'kitchen chat' and that event alone would have been reason enough for her trip to the UK. The Greens have a huge offshore voter base, many of whom are UK based, so this video will reinforce votes for them together with Gary's very likely reference to Chloe when he speaks in NZ.
So far as wasted international travel is concerned the recent events that our cabinet ministers and PM have made would be far less justified than Chloe's travels. Luxon to see the rugby last weekend to avoid fronting up to the UNSC, instead leaving that dirty work to Winnie in announcing to the world that NZ is now a cowardly nation that kowtows to their US and Israeli masters. Our current government is a downright embarrassment to many NZers and they will pay for that decision at the polls.
Next year's, (if the coalition last that long) election is going to be a very interesting affair as spineless Luxon and his conniving coalition partners get shown the door by the electorate and get flushed down the sewer of history.
RE: Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - Lilith7 - 30-09-2025
(30-09-2025, 07:27 AM)king1 Wrote: perhaps we could get them to bring all those important meet and greets they're attending to New Zealand, would that be acceptable? Might be a bigger carbon footprint overall, but the Green Party of New Zealand could stand proud...
I suspect the usual suspects would still complain about it...
Thing is, unless someone invents some other means of air travel, we're stuck with planes. I doubt anyone would be too keen on balloon flights...
RE: Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - harm_less - 30-09-2025
(29-09-2025, 11:59 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: 100%You'd be wrong on the respective emissions of various transport modes.
These greens need to practice what they preach, air travel supposedly has the highest carbon footprint, going by the BS they spew out of their mouths.
https://www.statista.com/chart/32350/greenhouse-gas-emissions-by-mode-of-transport/
Not a lot of choice for those travelling internationally from NZ.
RE: Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - Praktica - 30-09-2025
I see the rightwing posters have sucessfully diverted this thread away from the main point - Chloe's ideas for the economy and society. It's the sort of vision that rightwingers are afraid of...no longer worshipping wealth and property.
RE: Chloe on 'Garys Economics' - Lilith7 - 30-09-2025
(30-09-2025, 01:05 PM)Praktica Wrote: I see the rightwing posters have sucessfully diverted this thread away from the main point - Chloe's ideas for the economy and society. It's the sort of vision that rightwingers are afraid of...no longer worshipping wealth and property.
On that subject, I'm presently reading Limitarianism, the case against extreme wealth, Ingrid Robeyns & came across this:
“In fact, there is no example in human history where wealth remained accumulated like this & the pitchforks didn't eventually come out.
You show me a highly unequal society & I will show you a police state. Or an uprising. There are no counter examples, none.
If it's not if, it's when.”
Nick Hanauer, The pitchforks are coming.