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RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - king1 - 21-09-2022
Not sure what the father has to do with anything, no one suggested he was a witness to events. Something happened and if there was nothing to hide, why the cloak and dagger with the report? Uffindell is far from exonerated, and this whole debacle just makes him look even more guilty.
RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - Wainuiguy - 21-09-2022
(21-09-2022, 11:41 AM)king1 Wrote: Not sure what the father has to do with anything, no one suggested he was a witness to events. Something happened and if there was nothing to hide, why the cloak and dagger with the report? Uffindell is far from exonerated, and this whole debacle just makes him look even more guilty.Did National say at the start the report would be confidential?
Yes. They did that to ensure people would come forward without any risk of being identified.
Did Labour investigate their bullying claims?
No. Instead they labeled the person reporting bullying a Bully then removed him from the party.
RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - Praktica - 21-09-2022
(21-09-2022, 12:59 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:Yeah - let's compare an entitled thug who admitted assaulting a pupil at his school, with someone who was able to produce no evidence of bullying, only allegations, and who sadly seems to be mentally disturbed. This is the national party way - justify entitlement and violence in any possible way.(21-09-2022, 11:41 AM)king1 Wrote: Not sure what the father has to do with anything, no one suggested he was a witness to events. Something happened and if there was nothing to hide, why the cloak and dagger with the report? Uffindell is far from exonerated, and this whole debacle just makes him look even more guilty.Did National say at the start the report would be confidential?
Yes. They did that to ensure people would come forward without any risk of being identified.
Did Labour investigate their bullying claims?
No. Instead they labeled the person reporting bullying a Bully then removed him from the party.
RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - king1 - 21-09-2022
(21-09-2022, 12:59 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:Uffindell was a bully, Sharma was a bully. National hid the process and the outcome, Labour was as transparent as they could and needed to be...(21-09-2022, 11:41 AM)king1 Wrote: Not sure what the father has to do with anything, no one suggested he was a witness to events. Something happened and if there was nothing to hide, why the cloak and dagger with the report? Uffindell is far from exonerated, and this whole debacle just makes him look even more guilty.Did National say at the start the report would be confidential?
Yes. They did that to ensure people would come forward without any risk of being identified.
Did Labour investigate their bullying claims?
No. Instead they labeled the person reporting bullying a Bully then removed him from the party.
Uffindell will probably be gone by next election, especially if the report is leaked...
Sharma was the bully, he was investigated, didn't like the outcome, decided to blow up his career - he is right where he belongs...
For Sharma, it was kinda desperate and disingenuous to expect an investigation into the investigation of a bully
anyways, enough deflecting, now where did I put that Uffindell report
RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - Wainuiguy - 21-09-2022
(21-09-2022, 01:18 PM)king1 Wrote:So an investigation into bullying that happened last year - insane. And it wasn't only Sharna let's not forget that.(21-09-2022, 12:59 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: Did National say at the start the report would be confidential?Uffindell was a bully, Sharma was a bully. National hid the process, Labour was as transparent as they could be...
Yes. They did that to ensure people would come forward without any risk of being identified.
Did Labour investigate their bullying claims?
No. Instead they labeled the person reporting bullying a Bully then removed him from the party.
Uffindell will probably gone by next election, especially if the report is leaked...
Sharma was the bully, he was investigated, didn't like the outcome, decided to blow up his career - he is right where he belongs...
It's kinda disingenuous to expect an investigation into the investigation of a bully
But you want National to release a report into bullying that happened 19 years ago? Sorry that is alleged bullying.
(21-09-2022, 01:16 PM)Praktica Wrote:Did you do anything you regret when you were in your teens? If we went back 22 plus years in your life would we find bad things about you?(21-09-2022, 12:59 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: Did National say at the start the report would be confidential?Yeah - let's compare an entitled thug who admitted assaulting a pupil at his school, with someone who was able to produce no evidence of bullying, only allegations, and who sadly seems to be mentally disturbed. This is the national party way - justify entitlement and violence in any possible way.
Yes. They did that to ensure people would come forward without any risk of being identified.
Did Labour investigate their bullying claims?
No. Instead they labeled the person reporting bullying a Bully then removed him from the party.
And let's use that word - allegations. So Sharma comes out and publicly says there is bullying in the Labour Party- oh he has mental health issues. But a completely anonymous woman goes on RNZ and makes an allegation, wont even allow herself to be interviewed by the KC in charge of the investigation and that is all good?
RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - king1 - 21-09-2022
(21-09-2022, 01:22 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:actually it would be alleged violence and thuggery - I was probably being a bit too nice including him in the same category as Sharma's misdemeanours.(21-09-2022, 01:18 PM)king1 Wrote: Uffindell was a bully, Sharma was a bully. National hid the process, Labour was as transparent as they could be...So an investigation into bullying that happened last year - insane. And it wasn't only Sharna let's not forget that.
Uffindell will probably gone by next election, especially if the report is leaked...
Sharma was the bully, he was investigated, didn't like the outcome, decided to blow up his career - he is right where he belongs...
It's kinda disingenuous to expect an investigation into the investigation of a bully
But you want National to release a report into bullying that happened 19 years ago? Sorry that is alleged bullying.
But yes it should be released - the report is recent, what's to hide? If there is nothing to hide, release it? Why not?
RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - Oh_hunnihunni - 21-09-2022
Deflection.
Making the report public is easy, to preserve confidentiality simply remove the names.
But they won't because they have something to hide.
RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - king1 - 21-09-2022
(21-09-2022, 01:22 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:Praktica is not in politics, scrutiny of background isn't required(21-09-2022, 01:16 PM)Praktica Wrote: Yeah - let's compare an entitled thug who admitted assaulting a pupil at his school, with someone who was able to produce no evidence of bullying, only allegations, and who sadly seems to be mentally disturbed. This is the national party way - justify entitlement and violence in any possible way.Did you do anything you regret when you were in your teens? If we went back 22 plus years in your life would we find bad things about you?
And let's use that word - allegations. So Sharma comes out and publicly says there is bullying in the Labour Party- oh he has mental health issues. But a completely anonymous woman goes on RNZ and makes an allegation, won't even allow herself to be interviewed by the KC in charge of the investigation and that is all good?
Again, It's kinda disingenuous to expect an investigation into the investigation of a bully at the behest of said bully
The complainant is not anonymous, the people that need to know her name know who she is... from what I can gather she provided a statement but concluded early on that the outcome was predetermined, given the lack of transparency and being paid for by National. Not hard to see why I guess... Probably didn't help the cause but doesn't change the facts...
RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - Wainuiguy - 21-09-2022
(21-09-2022, 01:33 PM)king1 Wrote:Luxon announced it would be confidential but independent. You now want him to go against that?(21-09-2022, 01:22 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: So an investigation into bullying that happened last year - insane. And it wasn't only Sharna let's not forget that.actually it would be alleged violence and thuggery - I was probably being a bit too nice including him in the same category as Sharma's misdemeanours.
But you want National to release a report into bullying that happened 19 years ago? Sorry that is alleged bullying.
But yes it should be released - the report is recent, what's to hide? If there is nothing to hide, release it? Why not?
Do you believe that if he was being less than truthful about the report outcome that the KC who did it wouldn't be saying something? It has her name all over it.
The report was recent but the events weren't. For Labour the events were recent but no investigation held, no report written. Just label the complainant as having "mental health issues" while another of their MPs also has allegations come out. While the Speaker has tax payers fork out $350000 plus for his bullying.
RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - harm_less - 21-09-2022
(21-09-2022, 09:39 AM)king1 Wrote: I love the twisting of words in these situationsAnd Luxon's refusal to give a straight answer in this interview: https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018859579
Quote:Dew KC's independent inquiry into the incident "did not substantiate any allegations of bullying outside of Sam's time at King's College", party president Sylvia Wood said on Monday.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/accusers-happy-for-sam-uffindell-report-to-be-made-public-as-christopher-luxon-refuses-to-release-it.html
Quote:National said the report found Uffindell "did not engage" in the behaviour his former flatmate detailed on RNZ last month - which prompted the inquiry.
That included dismissing her claims he bashed on her door, yelled obscenities and smashed up the flat through violent behaviour.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/accusers-happy-for-sam-uffindell-report-to-be-made-public-as-christopher-luxon-refuses-to-release-it.html
Quote:But the woman and her father stand firmly by her account of what happened at the flat and are deeply unhappy Uffindell's word was taken over hers.
She had originally said she fled to her friend's house but later said she ran to the library where she called her father, who put her up in a motel for the night.The woman gave a written statement during the inquiry but did not participate further, believing it to be a political snow job - bought and paid for by the National Party.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/accusers-happy-for-sam-uffindell-report-to-be-made-public-as-christopher-luxon-refuses-to-release-it.html
RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - Wainuiguy - 21-09-2022
(21-09-2022, 02:29 PM)harm_less Wrote:So she says she is being called a liar then proceeds to say the KC is one. Sounds legit. Maybe she was the bully? Now she just having mental health issues.(21-09-2022, 09:39 AM)king1 Wrote: I love the twisting of words in these situationsAnd Luxon's refusal to give a straight answer in this interview: https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018859579
RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - Lilith7 - 21-09-2022
(21-09-2022, 02:29 PM)harm_less Wrote:Good grief! Blatantly using a blizzard of words to avoid answering.(21-09-2022, 09:39 AM)king1 Wrote: I love the twisting of words in these situationsAnd Luxon's refusal to give a straight answer in this interview: https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018859579
I think politicians go to a special school where they learn to poli-waffle.
RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - Wainuiguy - 21-09-2022
(21-09-2022, 03:07 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:I believe it is taught by Professor Jacinda Ardern.(21-09-2022, 02:29 PM)harm_less Wrote: And Luxon's refusal to give a straight answer in this interview: https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018859579Good grief! Blatantly using a blizzard of words to avoid answering.
I think politicians go to a special school where they learn to poli-waffle.
RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - king1 - 21-09-2022
(21-09-2022, 02:29 PM)harm_less Wrote:he would of been better off not giving that interview(21-09-2022, 09:39 AM)king1 Wrote: I love the twisting of words in these situationsAnd Luxon's refusal to give a straight answer in this interview: https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018859579
RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - Praktica - 21-09-2022
(21-09-2022, 03:17 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:Typical national party tactics - accuse your opponents of what you are doing yourself.(21-09-2022, 03:07 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: Good grief! Blatantly using a blizzard of words to avoid answering.I believe it is taught by Professor Jacinda Ardern.
I think politicians go to a special school where they learn to poli-waffle.
RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - Wainuiguy - 21-09-2022
(21-09-2022, 03:18 PM)king1 Wrote:Could say the same for the accuser in this case.....(21-09-2022, 02:29 PM)harm_less Wrote: And Luxon's refusal to give a straight answer in this interview: https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018859579he would of been better off not giving that interview
RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - king1 - 21-09-2022
(21-09-2022, 04:24 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:Luxon was full of puff and bluster with no answers...(21-09-2022, 03:18 PM)king1 Wrote: he would of been better off not giving that interviewCould say the same for the accuser in this case.....
RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - Wainuiguy - 21-09-2022
(21-09-2022, 04:34 PM)king1 Wrote:The interviewer was trying hard for him to say the accuser was a liar - he wasn't having any of it.(21-09-2022, 04:24 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: Could say the same for the accuser in this case.....Luxon was full of puff and bluster with no answers...
RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - king1 - 21-09-2022
(21-09-2022, 05:03 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:yep but sometimes the words don't need to be said for meaning to be conveyed.(21-09-2022, 04:34 PM)king1 Wrote: Luxon was full of puff and bluster with no answers...The interviewer was trying hard for him to say the accuser was a liar - he wasn't having any of it.
RE: Uffindell welcomed back by National - Praktica - 21-09-2022
You can bet that those that knew Uffindell at school, and university will be tracked down and interviewed, to see what more can be discovered. He'd better hope the bodies are buried deep.