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RE: Mark Mitchell wants an end to shorter sentences - heisenberg - 07-05-2025
(07-05-2025, 09:12 AM)king1 Wrote:(07-05-2025, 05:54 AM)heisenberg Wrote: what causes that then, colonialism ?
you don't feel like we as a society should bare any responsibility for that?
Colonialism explains it in a crude way, but it was the actions of successive governments between then and now that has shaped society over the last couple of centuries... and we still seem to be perpetuating the same behaviours that caused this problem we have in the first place...
these people were waging war on each other long before europeans turned up and some of them still do
RE: Mark Mitchell wants an end to shorter sentences - Oh_hunnihunni - 07-05-2025
So what?
That's the fallback position for many a failed argument. Just because it used to be so does not mean we are doomed to repeat it.
We have examples internationally of better ways to handle corrections. We have plenty of research that backs such programmes up. What we don't have is the progressive political willingness to put such programmes into operation. Some MPs would rather ride the boost from an electorate still living in the past and enjoying old attitudes that make them feel superior over others.
Sad really.
RE: Mark Mitchell wants an end to shorter sentences - Lilith7 - 07-05-2025
(07-05-2025, 03:09 PM)zqwerty Wrote: How NZ's bank rules make life for ex-prisoners even harder
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/560139/how-nz-s-bank-rules-make-life-for-ex-prisoners-even-harder
Not altogether helpful, if they don't want people to re offend
(07-05-2025, 03:10 PM)heisenberg Wrote:(07-05-2025, 09:12 AM)king1 Wrote: you don't feel like we as a society should bare any responsibility for that?
Colonialism explains it in a crude way, but it was the actions of successive governments between then and now that has shaped society over the last couple of centuries... and we still seem to be perpetuating the same behaviours that caused this problem we have in the first place...
these people were waging war on each other long before europeans turned up and some of them still do
Really - "these people?"
Did you forget that our ancestors also waged war on each other?
https://medium.com/war-stories/the-inhumanity-of-ancient-and-medieval-warfare-cannot-be-understated-1c74db96b010
RE: Mark Mitchell wants an end to shorter sentences - Oh_hunnihunni - 07-05-2025
Some of us still do. Doesn't make it okay. Does have other benefits though. Otherwise, we wouldn't keep doing it.
RE: Mark Mitchell wants an end to shorter sentences - Lilith7 - 07-05-2025
(07-05-2025, 04:06 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Some of us still do. Doesn't make it okay. Does have other benefits though. Otherwise, we wouldn't keep doing it.
Yep, uniform manufacturers,arms producers, undertakers all do very well..
RE: Mark Mitchell wants an end to shorter sentences - Oh_hunnihunni - 07-05-2025
Secondhand helicopter salesmen...
RE: Mark Mitchell wants an end to shorter sentences - heisenberg - 07-05-2025
(07-05-2025, 03:43 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:(07-05-2025, 03:09 PM)zqwerty Wrote: How NZ's bank rules make life for ex-prisoners even harder
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/560139/how-nz-s-bank-rules-make-life-for-ex-prisoners-even-harder
Not altogether helpful, if they don't want people to re offend
(07-05-2025, 03:10 PM)heisenberg Wrote: these people were waging war on each other long before europeans turned up and some of them still do
Really - "these people?"
Did you forget that our ancestors also waged war on each other?
https://medium.com/war-stories/the-inhumanity-of-ancient-and-medieval-warfare-cannot-be-understated-1c74db96b010
sure they did, who can we blame for that, is there a gravy train for us
RE: Mark Mitchell wants an end to shorter sentences - Oh_hunnihunni - 07-05-2025
Mmm, now there's a post that betrays the poster, lol...
Transparency. Such a good thing, lol!
RE: Mark Mitchell wants an end to shorter sentences - Praktica - 07-05-2025
He keeps trying to push those buttons...
RE: Mark Mitchell wants an end to shorter sentences - jim157 - 08-05-2025
(07-05-2025, 07:34 PM)Praktica Wrote: He keeps trying to push those buttons...
looks to me like heisenburg has a valid point
RE: Mark Mitchell wants an end to shorter sentences - Praktica - 08-05-2025
Years ago, I owned a book by a criminologist called Allan Nixon, called A Child's Guide to Crime. One of the things that Nixon discussed in the book was offending by ethnic groups. He made the point that in the 1920s, a disproportionate number of those charged with crimes were of Irish origin, a proportion far higher than their presence in the population. He suggested that if these people had green skin, it might have been suggested that there was a problem specific to the Irish. He suggested that the problem was more one of social class - Irish people at the time being mainly working class.
RE: Mark Mitchell wants an end to shorter sentences - Oh_hunnihunni - 08-05-2025
(08-05-2025, 04:10 PM)jim157 Wrote:(07-05-2025, 07:34 PM)Praktica Wrote: He keeps trying to push those buttons...
looks to me like heisenburg has a valid point
Elucidate, please...
RE: Mark Mitchell wants an end to shorter sentences - Lilith7 - 09-05-2025
(08-05-2025, 06:20 PM)Praktica Wrote: Years ago, I owned a book by a criminologist called Allan Nixon, called A Child's Guide to Crime. One of the things that Nixon discussed in the book was offending by ethnic groups. He made the point that in the 1920s, a disproportionate number of those charged with crimes were of Irish origin, a proportion far higher than their presence in the population. He suggested that if these people had green skin, it might have been suggested that there was a problem specific to the Irish. He suggested that the problem was more one of social class - Irish people at the time being mainly working class.
That could well be; there was a time in America for example when there were signs on places to let or jobs 'Irish need not apply'.....
We're a strange species..