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RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - zqwerty - 12-05-2025 "i suspect nobody’s making anything off you" Not any more. Shitty pay and socially toxic work place environments don't bring out the best in people. RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - heisenberg - 12-05-2025 (12-05-2025, 02:21 PM)zqwerty Wrote: "i suspect nobody’s making anything off you"[Deleted. Rule 2a] RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - Lilith7 - 12-05-2025 (12-05-2025, 12:15 PM)zqwerty Wrote: PM Ardern on how NZ will look under the 'traffic light' system - wow what a wonderful Prime Minister we lost and now we have incoherent morons spouting platitudes as they implement the same old National Agenda. That reminded me of a line from a James K Baxter poem "Riding with an iron saddle On the backs of the poor" RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - Oh_hunnihunni - 12-05-2025 I have to confess I do not understand the antivax stance. It is to me a little flat earthy... RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - heisenberg - 12-05-2025 (12-05-2025, 05:10 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I have to confess I do not understand the antivax stance. It is to me a little flat earthy... choice RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - king1 - 12-05-2025 (12-05-2025, 05:53 PM)heisenberg Wrote:(12-05-2025, 05:10 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I have to confess I do not understand the antivax stance. It is to me a little flat earthy... and consequences... Just like drunk driving RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - Oh_hunnihunni - 12-05-2025 Oh do not get me started on drunk driving. My deepest right wing side will come out and will not be reasoned with... RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - zqwerty - 12-05-2025 It's not a choice because the choice to not get vaccinated puts other people at risk, it's a collective responsibility within the group to be safe and thus keep others safe through the correct actions. Anyone who doesn't take the correct actions should be thrown into isolation in prison or banished from the country, they are criminals. RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - heisenberg - 13-05-2025 (12-05-2025, 06:55 PM)zqwerty Wrote: It's not a choice because the choice to not get vaccinated puts other people at risk, it's a collective responsibility within the group to be safe and thus keep others safe through the correct actions. yes all those people with stars on straight to the gas chambers RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - Praktica - 13-05-2025 (13-05-2025, 05:58 AM)heisenberg Wrote:(12-05-2025, 06:55 PM)zqwerty Wrote: It's not a choice because the choice to not get vaccinated puts other people at risk, it's a collective responsibility within the group to be safe and thus keep others safe through the correct actions. And there's the problem - equating a valid health protection measure with the most evil act of the 20th century. It shows toxic egoism and a complete lack of proportion. RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - king1 - 13-05-2025 have to agree with Praktica, the two scenarios are worlds apart in terms of motive, purpose, and outcome for those affected... But I have to disagree with zqwerty on prison/banishment (i'm sure he wasn't too serious about that) - I think the mandates and the outcomes for those who chose to be non-compliant were about right - those affected are still complaining about it three years on, that tells me mandates worked as intended. RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - zqwerty - 13-05-2025 So what do you do with those that choose to flaunt commonsense rules to protect the majority? Let them wander around infecting others possibly like we saw with the big Islander families who had those big meals and celebrations and infected everyone who was at the party/events/weddings in a single night, remember them? Being 75 years old with asthma and allergies is likely a death sentence if one gets Covid all because a few miscreants want to explore their personal freedoms and not comply with mandates that protect us all. Being young and stupid and not in the group which is most likely to be vulnerable to catching Covid does not absolve them of responsibility to honour their social duties. Even now so many older people are dying in Rest Homes and Hospitals because not enough precautions are being taken. RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - king1 - 13-05-2025 (13-05-2025, 09:27 AM)zqwerty Wrote: So what do you do with those that choose to flaunt commonsense rules to protect the majority? well I am not sure what the best policy is for that scenario, but I do know that banishing them from the country would seem a bit harsh and out of proportion to the crime... RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - Oh_hunnihunni - 13-05-2025 I think collective responsibility is a real thing. It is one of the prices we pay as individuals for living in a society with all its benefits. It is like paying taxes, or obeying laws, or exercising common courtesy - just the other side of having security, clean streets, roads, and a free health system, among all the other things. If you do not want those things, and are not open to paying for them, then go bush. Get a sail boat and take off into the wide blue solitude, don't hang around within that nice community bubble making use of all its benefits and then screech about being mandated to contribute, it's self centred and vaguely ridiculous behaviour for intelligent adults... RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - zqwerty - 13-05-2025 "out of proportion to the crime... " killing someone/more than one possibly by giving them Covid you mean. RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - Oh_hunnihunni - 13-05-2025 (13-05-2025, 09:27 AM)zqwerty Wrote: So what do you do with those that choose to flaunt commonsense rules to protect the majority? There will always be people who break rules, ignore social responsibility, injure or kill others. Expecting society to always protect us as individuals is almost as silly as deliberately acting against social responsibility. It works both ways. And for the record, it wasn't just Pasifika breaking the mandate. Your racism is showing. RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - zqwerty - 13-05-2025 No it wasn't racist it was a fact that because they gather in large unprotected groups, at parties and live collectively in large social groups because of tribal backgrounds they were just more likely to catch Covid and they did, do you not remember that? There were quite a few instances of large wedding groups getting Covid in one night because no one was vaccinated. Pasifika and Maori up North round the Bay of Islands didn't get vaccines until later because it's not in their culture and also vaccination points were few and far between. Pasifika weren't breaking mandate consciously it was early on in the Covid episode and lots of people weren't vaccinated, I don't think in some cases that the Vaccines had even been produced, but the behaviours and episodes shows how easily the virus can pass on when no precautions are taken and there are large groups. It only takes one sick/infectious person to infect a whole group in the wrong situation is what I am trying to show and that still applies now. If everyone is vaccinated then the chance of anyone catching the virus goes way down. Pasifika in the end were getting vaccinated in their cars when they drove up to garages up North because of the emergency of the situation, don't you remember that? The old ladies lying ill in rest homes, (there are always way more women than men in any old age situation), get Covid from their nurses who moonlight at the hospitals. RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - Olive - 13-05-2025 (13-05-2025, 09:41 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: zqwerty It certainly wasn't. In the small town where I live one of the earliest Covid outbreaks took place after an irresponsible St Patrick's Day gathering at a local pub. I would say there was a cross-section of the pakeha community there and the long Covid effects are still being dealt with now. RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - Oh_hunnihunni - 13-05-2025 Yes. And then there were the pakeha weddings. You know, if we just eliminated the adjectives we'd go a long way to being a more mature society. People are people, their skin colour, or culture really doesn't make them that different to you or me. RE: Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women - zqwerty - 13-05-2025 We are all the same of course, we're the same creature with the same biology but very different behaviours between groups all over the world and here in NZ as well |