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RE: "Nowhere to go" for more than 100,000 Kiwis - Lilith7 - 25-06-2025
(25-06-2025, 04:08 PM)zqwerty Wrote: "Perhaps this govt could get off its derriere & set about building decent housing..."
They wouldn't do that, it would mean that they wouldn't get the high prices that they get for the rentals they own.
Time to ban MP's from owning rental properties perhaps, or limit the number they (or family members) can own.
Yeah. That's going to happen..
RE: "Nowhere to go" for more than 100,000 Kiwis - zqwerty - 25-06-2025
Yes it's a revelation to realize that is probably the reason why there will always be a shortage of housing for poor people, because the rich people from both of the main parties want to get maximum rentals fees from their rental properties which they own.
How about this one, which for some reason I have never heard before: JFK was assassinated because he opposed Israel getting nuclear weapons. I always thought that it was the Teamsters Union who were made up of mainly Protestant W.A.S.P.s who opposed a Catholic President.
RE: "Nowhere to go" for more than 100,000 Kiwis - Oh_hunnihunni - 25-06-2025
Maybe, instead of banning landlord MPs, we just didn't vote for them.
RE: "Nowhere to go" for more than 100,000 Kiwis - Lilith7 - 26-06-2025
(25-06-2025, 07:26 PM)zqwerty Wrote: Yes it's a revelation to realize that is probably the reason why there will always be a shortage of housing for poor people, because the rich people from both of the main parties want to get maximum rentals fees from their rental properties which they own.
How about this one, which for some reason I have never heard before: JFK was assassinated because he opposed Israel getting nuclear weapons. I always thought that it was the Teamsters Union who were made up of mainly Protestant W.A.S.P.s who opposed a Catholic President.
Well...that's different anyway.
We may never know the truth.
(25-06-2025, 08:18 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Maybe, instead of banning landlord MPs, we just didn't vote for them.
Well,yes that would make sense...not invariably something we humans are altogether good at.
RE: "Nowhere to go" for more than 100,000 Kiwis - heisenberg - 29-06-2025
(23-06-2025, 12:03 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: Neo Liberals must be well pleased.
Children as young as nine?
Wtf is wrong with us? We could do worse than to follow the Welsh example; they have a 'duty to assist' legislation to help prevent homelessness. It holds local authorities responsible to prevent homelessness.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/564850/nowhere-to-go-for-more-than-100-000-kiwis-the-worsening-reality-of-homelessness
And of course, nothing at all to do with those stricter emergency housing rules
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/544438/luxon-denies-stricter-emergency-housing-rules-have-increased-homelessness
these are the type of people you are trying to defend........ no doubt they will soon be creating havoc in another neighbourhood ...... https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360738405/tenant-evicted-flats-after-smashing-neighbours-door-brick
RE: "Nowhere to go" for more than 100,000 Kiwis - Agent_24 - 29-06-2025
(29-06-2025, 04:14 PM)heisenberg Wrote: these are the type of people you are trying to defend........ no doubt they will soon be creating havoc in another neighbourhood ...... https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360738405/tenant-evicted-flats-after-smashing-neighbours-door-brick
Surely you do realise that such a person is not representative of the whole group?
You did read the story you linked to? Only that one person from the flat was reported to be behaving that way.
I'm sure in your mind, the other tenants are just as bad by association, but if that were true, why does the article only mention bad behaviour from one of them? Hmm...
RE: "Nowhere to go" for more than 100,000 Kiwis - Lilith7 - 29-06-2025
(29-06-2025, 04:14 PM)heisenberg Wrote:(23-06-2025, 12:03 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: Neo Liberals must be well pleased.
Children as young as nine?
Wtf is wrong with us? We could do worse than to follow the Welsh example; they have a 'duty to assist' legislation to help prevent homelessness. It holds local authorities responsible to prevent homelessness.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/564850/nowhere-to-go-for-more-than-100-000-kiwis-the-worsening-reality-of-homelessness
And of course, nothing at all to do with those stricter emergency housing rules
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/544438/luxon-denies-stricter-emergency-housing-rules-have-increased-homelessness
these are the type of people you are trying to defend........ no doubt they will soon be creating havoc in another neighbourhood ...... https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360738405/tenant-evicted-flats-after-smashing-neighbours-door-brick
Using a bit of common sense it seems likely that the tenant responsible may have had various problems which could cause such behaviour, perhape even a mental illness.
And clearly not every last Kainga Ora tenant is behaving in a similar manner.
As per usual the media made it very clear that its a Kainga Ora property, something they've taken to doing lately which is extremey interesting. I wonder if we can expect them to also name privately owned properties when they have similar problems...?
RE: "Nowhere to go" for more than 100,000 Kiwis - heisenberg - 29-06-2025
(29-06-2025, 04:45 PM)Agent_24 Wrote:(29-06-2025, 04:14 PM)heisenberg Wrote: these are the type of people you are trying to defend........ no doubt they will soon be creating havoc in another neighbourhood ...... https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360738405/tenant-evicted-flats-after-smashing-neighbours-door-brick
Surely you do realise that such a person is not representative of the whole group?
You did read the story you linked to? Only that one person from the flat was reported to be behaving that way.
I'm sure in your mind, the other tenants are just as bad by association, but if that were true, why does the article only mention bad behaviour from one of them? Hmm...
i do realise that
problem tenants can go live under a bridge instead of taxpayer subsidised accommodation
of course you could take them in
RE: "Nowhere to go" for more than 100,000 Kiwis - Agent_24 - 29-06-2025
(29-06-2025, 05:17 PM)heisenberg Wrote: problem tenants can go live under a bridge instead of taxpayer subsidised accommodation
of course you could take them in
Someone like that clearly needs a lot more help than what the average person could provide, and I'm certainly not rolling in money either, so no, I couldn't take them in, actually.
RE: "Nowhere to go" for more than 100,000 Kiwis - king1 - 29-06-2025
and leaving someone like that to live under a bridge is probably not the best outcome for society either...
RE: "Nowhere to go" for more than 100,000 Kiwis - Oh_hunnihunni - 29-06-2025
Costs less to house the homeless than not house them...
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300053656/it-would-be-cheaper-to-just-house-the-homeless-so-what-are-we-waiting-for
RE: "Nowhere to go" for more than 100,000 Kiwis - Lilith7 - 29-06-2025
(29-06-2025, 07:12 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Costs less to house the homeless than not house them...
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300053656/it-would-be-cheaper-to-just-house-the-homeless-so-what-are-we-waiting-for
Well yes - but see those are poor people, & apparently successive govts simply don't give a toss about them.
Shame on them.
RE: "Nowhere to go" for more than 100,000 Kiwis - amrist - 02-07-2025
Maybe parliament should be like Jury duty so we all have a crack. Most MPs have zero work experience anyway and some get a portfolio and NONE of them have real world experience there
RE: "Nowhere to go" for more than 100,000 Kiwis - Lilith7 - 02-07-2025
(02-07-2025, 07:52 AM)amrist Wrote: Maybe parliament should be like Jury duty so we all have a crack. Most MPs have zero work experience anyway and some get a portfolio and NONE of them have real world experience there
Interesting idea - & perhaps a case could be made that they could hardly do a worse job - but we might then end up with total idiots, including racists.
Although...looking at what we have now...the idea has some merit.
RE: "Nowhere to go" for more than 100,000 Kiwis - Agent_24 - 02-07-2025
(02-07-2025, 11:57 AM)Lilith7 Wrote:(02-07-2025, 07:52 AM)amrist Wrote: Maybe parliament should be like Jury duty so we all have a crack. Most MPs have zero work experience anyway and some get a portfolio and NONE of them have real world experience there
Interesting idea - & perhaps a case could be made that they could hardly do a worse job - but we might then end up with total idiots, including racists.
Although...looking at what we have now...the idea has some merit.
Perhaps, but never underestimate the stupidity of idiots...
Couldn't be worse than America, though, surely?
RE: "Nowhere to go" for more than 100,000 Kiwis - Oh_hunnihunni - 02-07-2025
Thing is, there is a wealth of good science based on serious research on homelessness, prisons, work, parenting, energy, climate change, economics - every human activity our governments are involved in.
But they don't refer to it, or have their staff check it out. They just repeat the party line and stay in their lanes rather than risk trying something different. And if someone suggests something different they get shouted down by the dinosaurs who feel challenged...
It is infuriating.
(02-07-2025, 07:52 AM)amrist Wrote: Maybe parliament should be like Jury duty so we all have a crack. Most MPs have zero work experience anyway and some get a portfolio and NONE of them have real world experience there
I take issue with the zero work experience. Most MPs have had other jobs, it's more that those jobs are not governing. And politics isn't governing either. In fact, politics gets in the way of governing just as much as any other form of work experience. We are hiring people with all the wrong skillsets and expecting them to learn on the job, with the added complication of a set term, multiple masters, and an ever changing set of priorities.
No wonder it is mostly idiots who want the job. It could be the Peter Principle at work, or it could just be that sensible people do other things...
RE: "Nowhere to go" for more than 100,000 Kiwis - Lilith7 - 02-07-2025
Came across this earlier on FB...
https://www.facebook.com/reel/24403762309208906
RE: "Nowhere to go" for more than 100,000 Kiwis - SueDonim - 10-07-2025
(25-06-2025, 04:50 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:(25-06-2025, 04:08 PM)zqwerty Wrote: "Perhaps this govt could get off its derriere & set about building decent housing..."
They wouldn't do that, it would mean that they wouldn't get the high prices that they get for the rentals they own.
Time to ban MP's from owning rental properties perhaps, or limit the number they (or family members) can own.
Yeah. That's going to happen..
I has a look through the asset declaration list and can see that property ownership is pretty much across the board except for less ownership by Labour and Green MPs. Overall it looks fairly proportionate for the general population too. Which is what we should expect. Our MPs are, after, all a cross section of society and it shows. The problem we had during the last Labour government is that when legislation is being debated, the debate points should be listened to and used to thrash out a version that actually achieves what it intends. Instead the opposition is all done in the media instead of the debating chamber, and if you watch some of the televised debates it is heartbreaking to see how few of our elected members are actually present. Therein lies a lot of the problem. I know that they are hard working and doing a thankless task, but at the very least they should be prepared to attend and debate properly. Legislation is not about the final vote. It's about the tweaking and correction that is supposed to happen along the way.
RE: "Nowhere to go" for more than 100,000 Kiwis - Oh_hunnihunni - 10-07-2025
Thing is, we would be a more prosperous, productive nation if the money we spent on selling houses to each other was instead invested in commerce, in shares, in charity, in research, in education, in experimentation...
But we do love the prospect of a quick return. Tempting, the thought of unearned riches.