(01-06-2022, 01:17 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/05/31/concern-over-recent-increase-in-anti-maori-sentiment/

Why are the media/govt so surprised about this "increase" in negative sentiment when it seems that the media are provoking it through maori language every day, not just maori language week which by the looks of things should be done away with at this rate, then we have the govt forcing upon us "co-governance" and He Puapua, etc.
All the issues are just solutions looking for a problem.

All this co-governance is exactly the opposite of what it means.
Its time to treat everyone equal, no need for a race based "maori" health system.
I even have maori friends that are unhappy with the way things are going too. Its not racist.
Peeni Henare himself says here that he has been called a Kupapa by his own people!
What does that say?

Whats up with "Aotearoa New Zealand" at the moment? They should just use one name or the other. You wont even find Aotearoa written in the treaty because they didnt even come up with that word until after the treaty was signed.

Tāmaki Makaurau is not even the real maori name for Auckland, its essentially a part of the city such as east Tamaki, Manakau, Manurewa, etc.

So much maori spoken on TVNZ with no subtitles too, whats even the point of a maori channel? At least they often give subtitles unlike TVNZ! If they want us to actually learn maori, at least let us know whats being said.

The criticism of this is not racist, its the opposite, it seems some maori are trying to segregate themselves and it needs to stop.
We are one people, one nation. We are supposed to come together.
Good resources here https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/the_laws_that_separate_us

Also check out https://govt.maori.nz/
He whakaputanga is the true "maori" government where all of us are treated the same regardless of race.
Go to one of your local meetings if you want to learn more about it.
There is definitely a big division among maori right now and its not really even a maori/pakeha conflict, its happening within their own people. We can help them, but we are going about it the wrong way.

(01-06-2022, 04:34 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: https://thehori.co.nz/collections/horis-pledge

Go on CT, I dare ya...

(01-06-2022, 10:13 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I am beginning to think, CT, that you join any anti trend going, for the sheer devilment of it. In kids I think they call it Oppositional Disorder. So let me get this right, you are anti vax, anti three waters, anti Maori, anti climate change - have I missed anything?

(01-06-2022, 04:34 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: https://thehori.co.nz/collections/horis-pledge

Go on CT, I dare ya...

(01-06-2022, 04:33 PM)SueDonim Wrote:

(01-06-2022, 01:17 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/05/31/concern-over-recent-increase-in-anti-maori-sentiment/

Why are the media/govt so surprised about this "increase" in negative sentiment when it seems that the media are provoking it through maori language every day, not just maori language week which by the looks of things should be done away with at this rate, then we have the govt forcing upon us "co-governance" and He Puapua, etc.
All the issues are just solutions looking for a problem.

All this co-governance is exactly the opposite of what it means.
Its time to treat everyone equal, no need for a race based "maori" health system.
I even have maori friends that are unhappy with the way things are going too. Its not racist.
Peeni Henare himself says here that he has been called a Kupapa by his own people!
What does that say?

Whats up with "Aotearoa New Zealand" at the moment? They should just use one name or the other. You wont even find Aotearoa written in the treaty because they didnt even come up with that word until after the treaty was signed.

Tāmaki Makaurau is not even the real maori name for Auckland, its essentially a part of the city such as east Tamaki, Manakau, Manurewa, etc.

So much maori spoken on TVNZ with no subtitles too, whats even the point of a maori channel? At least they often give subtitles unlike TVNZ! If they want us to actually learn maori, at least let us know whats being said.

The criticism of this is not racist, its the opposite, it seems some maori are trying to segregate themselves and it needs to stop.
We are one people, one nation. We are supposed to come together.
Good resources here https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/the_laws_that_separate_us

Also check out https://govt.maori.nz/
He whakaputanga is the true "maori" government where all of us are treated the same regardless of race.
Go to one of your local meetings if you want to learn more about it.
There is definitely a big division among maori right now and its not really even a maori/pakeha conflict, its happening within their own people. We can help them, but we are going about it the wrong way.

You are right on a lot of counts. We get the race card thrown out so often that people are scared to speak up, when in fact the whole thing is causing more separatism and racism all the time. And the Maori divide keeps getting bigger. There is the question of "who is Maori?". It's whoever wants to be, and those of Maori ancestry who don't like what's happening unfortunately step away from it and refuse to be put into silos.

There are those who want to use Maori place names. Beginning with Aotearoa which may or may not have originally been an accepted name for the North Island, but was only recently used to include the South Island. If you think about the early Maori colonisation, it wasn't one people coming to colonise a whole country, but disparate groups of people settling in specific localities. At first there was no concept of a single "place" (ie country).

For specific areas Maori place names can be used alongside our official names. One is a loose name given to an area and/or possibly a geographical feature. The other is a formal name that specifies an exact area and relates to its governance. Different things that are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

(02-06-2022, 11:08 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote:

(01-06-2022, 10:13 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I am beginning to think, CT, that you join any anti trend going, for the sheer devilment of it. In kids I think they call it Oppositional Disorder. So let me get this right, you are anti vax, anti three waters, anti Maori, anti climate change - have I missed anything?

Im anti globalist agenda.
Im not anti maori, im anti race based politics.
When I once visited a tourist attraction in rotorua and the tour guide tells us that you can join this "maori" carving course, even if you only have 1% maori, then thats what I describe as racist.
Just like that woman in the news article, I cant believe she has even recieved racial attacks, she doesnt even look maori!
Even David Seymour spoke about this at a meeting and said he can talk about it because he had maori in him too!
I didnt even know he had any maori in him until he said that.

Ive got more african in me (have descendents that were slaves) by a long shot compared to some of these people that like to think they are maori. I dont consider myself to be african and I certainly dont even look like it.

The best thing every person could do is get a DNA test to see what they really are.
Ive got quite a mixture in me, thats for sure, as my ancestors married into alot of different races.

When a health system entitles you to special benefits for having a certain percentage of a type of DNA, than thats seriously messed up sorry.

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(01-06-2022, 04:34 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: https://thehori.co.nz/collections/horis-pledge

Go on CT, I dare ya...

lol, thats hilarious, but apparently "hori" is a racial slur according to what the media portray. SO the fact they are using it means its 100% OK

(02-06-2022, 11:42 AM)Lilith7 Wrote:

(02-06-2022, 11:08 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: Im anti globalist agenda.
Im not anti maori, im anti race based politics.
When I once visited a tourist attraction in rotorua and the tour guide tells us that you can join this "maori" carving course, even if you only have 1% maori, then thats what I describe as racist.
Just like that woman in the news article, I cant believe she has even recieved racial attacks, she doesnt even look maori!
Even David Seymour spoke about this at a meeting and said he can talk about it because he had maori in him too!
I didnt even know he had any maori in him until he said that.

Ive got more african in me (have descendents that were slaves) by a long shot compared to some of these people that like to think they are maori. I dont consider myself to be african and I certainly dont even look like it.

The best thing every person could do is get a DNA test to see what they really are.
Ive got quite a mixture in me, thats for sure, as my ancestors married into alot of different races.

When a health system entitles you to special benefits for having a certain percentage of a type of DNA, than thats seriously messed up sorry.

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lol, thats hilarious, but apparently "hori" is a racial slur according to what the media portray. SO the fact they are using it means its 100% OK

"Ive got more african in me (have descendents that were slaves) by a long shot compared to some of these people that like to think they are maori."

I think perhaps you mean ancestors, rather than descendants...



You know why NZ is such a bad place to be a racist? Because we've intermarried so much, you can't tell from looking at us who might have Maori ancestry.

To attempt to discredit someone because according to your opinion, they're 'not Maori enough' smacks of prejudice & using any flimsy excuse to demean - any minute now, I expect the usual less appealing aspects of Maori life pre colonisation will be trotted out.


"Anti globalist agenda???!"
Not that tired old bollocks again, surely. So very, very secret that its all over the internet!  


https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-57532368
[b]
"A vague set of proposals from an influential organisation has been transformed by online conspiracy theorists into a powerful viral rallying cry. What is the truth behind the "Great Reset"?[/b]
Believers spin dark tales about an authoritarian socialist world government run by powerful capitalists and politicians - a secret cabal that is broadcasting its plan around the world.
Despite all the contradictions in the last sentence, thousands online have latched on to this latest reimagining of an old conspiracy theory - updated for the age of Covid.

Like many popular conspiracy theories, this one starts with a grain of fact.

In June 2020, the Prince of Wales and the head of the annual Davos summit launched an initiative calling for the pandemic to be seen as a chance for what they called a Great Reset of the global economy.

But the real energy online is not about legitimate political questions - discussions about fossil fuels and income equality - but in the shape of wild and unsubstantiated claims.

In this narrative, lockdown restrictions were introduced not to curb the spread of the virus, but to deliberately bring about economic collapse and a socialist world government, albeit run for the benefit of powerful capitalists.

The nebulousness of this conspiracy theory means it has found followers among anti-vaccine activists, anti-lockdown campaigners, new-age healers, and those on the far right and far left.
In the hands of a diverse group of online activists, the Great Reset has been transformed - from a call to encourage people to think about a sustainable future, to a sinister plot against humanity.

Ms Smith says online activists who deny the existence of climate change often engage with the Great Reset theory to "dismiss sustainability and renewable energy initiatives as an elite agenda for control".


Clearly those prepared to swallow this are very, very gullible - to say the least.

(02-06-2022, 02:34 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I think all human beings are racist. I think it is biological, and social. The thing is most refuse to acknowledge the fact, which makes it hard to confront and change.

Because it is important to do that so we stop accidently hurting other people.

(03-06-2022, 11:28 AM)Lilith7 Wrote: It may have made sense in ancient times to be wary of those who are different; it would sometimes have been a matter of survival but that's not often the case in these times & we need to learn better.

(03-06-2022, 11:21 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote:

(02-06-2022, 02:34 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I think all human beings are racist. I think it is biological, and social. The thing is most refuse to acknowledge the fact, which makes it hard to confront and change.

Because it is important to do that so we stop accidently hurting other people.

That is kind of true, I was reading about a study that says its in our genetics to be wary of outsiders, back in the days of Neanderthals, it was more of a survival instinct not to trust others.
Thats no excuse, but there is definitely some genetic traits that go way back in humanity.

(03-06-2022, 12:19 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote:

(03-06-2022, 11:21 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: That is kind of true, I was reading about a study that says its in our genetics to be wary of outsiders, back in the days of Neanderthals, it was more of a survival instinct not to trust others.
Thats no excuse, but there is definitely some genetic traits that go way back in humanity.

I think it is a very common defense mechanism. Even plants do it, keeping others away by poisoning the soil around them to prevent other seedlings surviving. But as you say it is no excuse, explanations are not excuses, they just help us understand why we do things and once we understand we can make changes.

We need to make changes because of the hurt racism inflicts, and not  just on those who are targets, but on those who ignore their own errors of judgement. A better, healthier society is better for everyone, not just the privileged.

(26-06-2022, 05:02 PM)Zurdo Wrote: I think Maori should look to Ireland to see how an indigenous culture copes with invasion by the superior white man. Gaelic became a compulsory subject for all Irish school children, they have all learned Gaelic at school. But they don't speak Gaelic, apparently they speak English in public, although we still don't understand a word they say. But...they know how to pronounce all the Gaelic street signs they see, and understand the meaning of all those words. I think, hope that is what happens here, we may not speak Te Reo, but we will understand it, and what it all means, it will be part of our culture, but only a part.

And Quebec, the French Canadians - no, we don't want to go there, that is the wrong way to force a language onto the public.