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Bad news for Chippy from the Hutt - Wainuiguy - 10-08-2023
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/491734/new-poll-shows-national-act-keeping-edge-ahead-of-labour
Now tied as preferred PM with Luxon. Disaster for Labour as the second of the major polls places them under 30%. And unlike 2017 there is no lipstick to be had to put on this pig.
Hoping that NZFirst number is just a glitch like the TPM number last poll from this company.
RE: Bad news for Chippy from the Hutt - king1 - 10-08-2023
luxon tied with hipkins? was that in a different article? the one you linked wasn't quite so generous...
Quote:On net favourability, Prime Minister Chris Hipkins has dropped 3 points to 19 percent net favourability. National leader Christopher Luxon still remains underwater with a -2 percent favourability, but is up five points from the previous poll.
obviously a different measure but the meaning would seem the same...
RE: Bad news for Chippy from the Hutt - Wainuiguy - 10-08-2023
(10-08-2023, 05:51 PM)king1 Wrote: luxon tied with hipkins? was that in a different article? the one you linked wasn't quite so generous...
Quote:On net favourability, Prime Minister Chris Hipkins has dropped 3 points to 19 percent net favourability. National leader Christopher Luxon still remains underwater with a -2 percent favourability, but is up five points from the previous poll.
obviously a different measure but the meaning would seem the same...
Whoops wrong date. Here you go:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-new-poll-shows-labour-crashing-nzf-rising-and-national-act-with-enough-support-to-govern/HNJHVHFYWRBY3HO735BBDFTHFA/
RE: Bad news for Chippy from the Hutt - harm_less - 10-08-2023
The real concern I see with that poll result is that there is a change of NZF gaining a 'kingmaker' position. That has been a recipe for disaster in the past.
Interesting though to see the continuing migration away from the major parties. We may well be in for political shenanigans post election. Far more egalitarian than the old FPP days.
RE: Bad news for Chippy from the Hutt - Lilith7 - 10-08-2023
(10-08-2023, 06:26 PM)harm_less Wrote: The real concern I see with that poll result is that there is a change of NZF gaining a 'kingmaker' position. That has been a recipe for disaster in the past.
Interesting though to see the continuing migration away from the major parties. We may well be in for political shenanigans post election. Far more egalitarian than the old FPP days.
Yes, it certainly is very different & far more inclusive.
I'd hate to see Winston as kingmaker.
RE: Bad news for Chippy from the Hutt - Wainuiguy - 10-08-2023
(10-08-2023, 06:26 PM)harm_less Wrote: The real concern I see with that poll result is that there is a change of NZF gaining a 'kingmaker' position. That has been a recipe for disaster in the past.
Interesting though to see the continuing migration away from the major parties. We may well be in for political shenanigans post election. Far more egalitarian than the old FPP days.
Except National were up so not such a big migration in their case is it?
Winston can't be Kingmaker - he has ruled out one of the major parties so either goes with National or sits on the cross benches. Though let's face it - offer him speaker and he will jump at it.
RE: Bad news for Chippy from the Hutt - harm_less - 10-08-2023
(10-08-2023, 08:27 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:(10-08-2023, 06:26 PM)harm_less Wrote: The real concern I see with that poll result is that there is a change of NZF gaining a 'kingmaker' position. That has been a recipe for disaster in the past.
Interesting though to see the continuing migration away from the major parties. We may well be in for political shenanigans post election. Far more egalitarian than the old FPP days.
Except National were up so not such a big migration in their case is it?
Winston can't be Kingmaker - he has ruled out one of the major parties so either goes with National or sits on the cross benches. Though let's face it - offer him speaker and he will jump at it.
Winston changes his allegiances as it suits him. What he said last week, or month, has no relevance in what he will do if he gets a sniff of power.
RE: Bad news for Chippy from the Hutt - Oh_hunnihunni - 11-08-2023
And the Greens keep right on growing...
RE: Bad news for Chippy from the Hutt - nzoomed - 11-08-2023
(10-08-2023, 08:27 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: Winston can't be Kingmaker - he has ruled out one of the major parties so either goes with National or sits on the cross benches. Though let's face it - offer him speaker and he will jump at it.
Now that would become very entertaining to see Winston as speaker!
RE: Bad news for Chippy from the Hutt - Wainuiguy - 11-08-2023
(11-08-2023, 10:38 AM)nzoomed Wrote:(10-08-2023, 08:27 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: Winston can't be Kingmaker - he has ruled out one of the major parties so either goes with National or sits on the cross benches. Though let's face it - offer him speaker and he will jump at it.
Now that would become very entertaining to see Winston as speaker!
He may actually be good at it. He knows Parliamentary rules back to front and unlike Malard would apply them evenly.
(11-08-2023, 08:59 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: And the Greens keep right on growing...
Too bad the Greens never convert good poll results to good results on election day. I think people answer for the Greens on polls as it sounds good but in the cold light of the polling booth come to thier senses.
RE: Bad news for Chippy from the Hutt - Lilith7 - 11-08-2023
(11-08-2023, 08:59 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: And the Greens keep right on growing...
And its likely that the bad news on the Hauraki gulf might send more votes their way. Its very clear that we really need to make more of an effort to clean up our mess.
RE: Bad news for Chippy from the Hutt - C_T_Russell - 12-08-2023
I wont be missing labour one little bit and Im confident Winston will never go with Labour again (not in its current state anyway)
Now that winston is polling around 5% it gives me enough confidence to vote for him.
That being said, I do want a stable government, so are we better off with Act/National or be forced into a govt that needs NZF for national and ACT to work with each other?
Seymour has been quite clear on the subject what his position is, but he may be forced to rethink. Luxon will have the last say, but we could be easily in a situation where National/ACT are at 60 seats and need some extra coalition partners.
The maori party is out of the question for them, so it leaves them with NZF and I know Winston will definitely want cabinet positions for his party, he seems to get his way.
RE: Bad news for Chippy from the Hutt - Lilith7 - 12-08-2023
(12-08-2023, 01:10 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: I wont be missing labour one little bit and Im confident Winston will never go with Labour again (not in its current state anyway)
Now that winston is polling around 5% it gives me enough confidence to vote for him.
That being said, I do want a stable government, so are we better off with Act/National or be forced into a govt that needs NZF for national and ACT to work with each other?
Seymour has been quite clear on the subject what his position is, but he may be forced to rethink. Luxon will have the last say, but we could be easily in a situation where National/ACT are at 60 seats and need some extra coalition partners.
The maori party is out of the question for them, so it leaves them with NZF and I know Winston will definitely want cabinet positions for his party, he seems to get his way.
If you seriously believe that ACT/National will bring stability then you may want to think again.
RE: Bad news for Chippy from the Hutt - R2x1 - 12-08-2023
"If you seriously believe that ACT/National will bring stability then you may want to think again"
Could be that "think" is out of place in this sentence?
RE: Bad news for Chippy from the Hutt - Lilith7 - 13-08-2023
(12-08-2023, 09:12 PM)R2x1 Wrote: "If you seriously believe that ACT/National will bring stability then you may want to think again"
Could be that "think" is out of place in this sentence?
Has to be a possibility...
RE: Bad news for Chippy from the Hutt - Wainuiguy - 13-08-2023
National and Act would certainly be more stable than a Labour/Green/TPM coalition.
RE: Bad news for Chippy from the Hutt - Lilith7 - 13-08-2023
Hardly likely to be altogether stable since they'll dish up yet more Neo Liberalism; which many tend to now view with disdain & scepticism thanks to the damage done.