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Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - Lilith7 - 14-11-2023
Not an especially good start since it has the effect of making him look inefficient.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/301007984/tova-obrien-christopher-luxons-inexperience-costs-him-international-power-play
ANALYSIS: “There’ll be another APEC.”
And with those words, Christopher Luxon choked back his first heaped serving of humble pie, having been dealt an early bruising lesson by playing in the sandpit with the big kids.
Whatever Luxon’s opening offer was to his respective coalition partners, it clearly didn’t pass muster. It wasn’t enough for the prime minister-elect to safely meet his foolhardy self-imposed APEC deadline.
As Jacinda Ardern and Labour can attest, being in coalition with Winston Peters and NZ First means actually being in coalition, it means compromise, it means consultation – and if those three c’s aren’t met, brace for a healthy dose of the three h’s: humility, hubris and humiliation.
RE: Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - jim157 - 14-11-2023
lol
you can thank winston peters
seeing as your a labour fan you should be used to inexperience
RE: Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - harm_less - 14-11-2023
(14-11-2023, 03:48 PM)jim157 Wrote: lolLabour has had more than enough experience with Winston. That's why Hipkins flatly refused to consider teaming up with him in a coalition.
you can thank winston peters
seeing as your a labour fan you should be used to inexperience
As always Winnie is making this all about himself.
RE: Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - zqwerty - 14-11-2023
He doesn't just look inefficient he actually is just that.
Like so many members of upper level management, which is his background and how he inveigled his way into government, he is a flim-flam artist of the highest order, I recognise his type, all words but no real ideas which actually will result in improvements in the people of New Zealands situation, just a select few will benefit, the businessmen and their ilk.
[noun: flim-flam
1.
nonsensical or insincere talk.
"pseudo-intellectual flimflam"
2.
a confidence trick.
"flimflams perpetrated against us by our elected officials"
verb: flim-flam
swindle (someone) with a confidence trick]
RE: Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - Lilith7 - 14-11-2023
(14-11-2023, 04:25 PM)zqwerty Wrote: He doesn't just look inefficient he actually is just that.
Like so many members of upper level management, which is his background and how he inveigled his way into government, he is a flim-flam artist of the highest order, I recognise his type, all words but no real ideas which actually will result in improvements in the people of New Zealands situation, just a select few will benefit, the businessmen and their ilk.
[noun: flim-flam
1.
nonsensical or insincere talk.
"pseudo-intellectual flimflam"
2.
a confidence trick.
"flimflams perpetrated against us by our elected officials"
verb: flim-flam
swindle (someone) with a confidence trick]
He reminds me of John Key, especially his voice which is quite similar. I do feel very very slightly sorry for him though, because I don't think he really fully understood what he was getting into. Especially with regard to Winnie...
RE: Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - harm_less - 14-11-2023
(14-11-2023, 06:13 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: He reminds me of John Key, especially his voice which is quite similar. I do feel very very slightly sorry for him though, because I don't think he really fully understood what he was getting into. Especially with regard to Winnie...Sorry for him, be buggered. I've no more sympathy for Luxon than I have for any job candidate who succeeded by way of a bogus resume'.
RE: Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - Lilith7 - 15-11-2023
(14-11-2023, 09:00 PM)harm_less Wrote:(14-11-2023, 06:13 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: He reminds me of John Key, especially his voice which is quite similar. I do feel very very slightly sorry for him though, because I don't think he really fully understood what he was getting into. Especially with regard to Winnie...Sorry for him, be buggered. I've no more sympathy for Luxon than I have for any job candidate who succeeded by way of a bogus resume'.
Well...my usual stance towards politicians is 'Bastards, the lot of them'....
I expect that Winnie is having a lovely time leading them a merry dance, though...
RE: Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - C_T_Russell - 16-11-2023
Why does it always have to be Winston's fault?
APEC will still go ahead with a national and labor MP attending anyway.
Whats more important is that we get a strong, stable government and that takes time.
We can't just change our election dates to suit APEC.
RE: Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - harm_less - 16-11-2023
(16-11-2023, 01:09 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: Why does it always have to be Winston's fault?Isn't the answer to that self evident?
Treating NZ's electoral system as his own plaything is hardly the behaviour that should be expected from someone who is pertaining to be this country's shining politic personality.
RE: Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - Lilith7 - 16-11-2023
I'm sure Winnie has managed to justify it to himself, though; however strange & annoying it might be to the rest of us.
RE: Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - jim157 - 16-11-2023
new government still isnt in charge and the labour sheep are complaining
RE: Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - harm_less - 16-11-2023
(16-11-2023, 04:53 PM)jim157 Wrote: new government still isnt in charge and the labour sheep are complainingLabour is still in power until Luxon & co get their shit together enough to form a strong and stable government
Waiting......
RE: Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - Lilith7 - 16-11-2023
(16-11-2023, 04:53 PM)jim157 Wrote: new government still isnt in charge and the labour sheep are complaining
Only if you're assuming everyone here voted Labour...
RE: Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - C_T_Russell - 16-11-2023
(16-11-2023, 02:01 PM)harm_less Wrote:What about Dave Seymour? I'm sure both parties are putting pressure on Luxon.(16-11-2023, 01:09 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: Why does it always have to be Winston's fault?Isn't the answer to that self evident?
Treating NZ's electoral system as his own plaything is hardly the behaviour that should be expected from someone who is pertaining to be this country's shining politic personality.
And it should be noted that the consensus with both act and nzf appears to be the same which is great news to see them getting on with each other.
(16-11-2023, 06:03 PM)harm_less Wrote:(16-11-2023, 04:53 PM)jim157 Wrote: new government still isnt in charge and the labour sheep are complainingLabour is still in power until Luxon & co get their shit together enough to form a strong and stable government
Lol if that's the case it means they are the ones responsible for removing maori from official use!
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/301009592/ministry-leak-staff-backlash-after-te-reo-mori-scrubbed-from-official-use-ahead-of-new-government
RE: Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - harm_less - 16-11-2023
(16-11-2023, 07:21 PM)harm_less Wrote: Labour is still in power until Luxon & co get their shit together enough to form a strong and stable governmentFrom within that Stuff article:
Lol if that's the case it means they are the ones responsible for removing maori from official use!
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/301009592/ministry-leak-staff-backlash-after-te-reo-mori-scrubbed-from-official-use-ahead-of-new-government
"It’s not yet clear what the new government’s position will be on the use of Te Reo Māori by government departments because it’s not yet been formed."
You need to start analysing and comprehending what you're reading.
RE: Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - C_T_Russell - 16-11-2023
(16-11-2023, 07:41 PM)harm_less Wrote:So why do they care so much on removing it beforehand?(16-11-2023, 07:21 PM)harm_less Wrote: Labour is still in power until Luxon & co get their shit together enough to form a strong and stable governmentFrom within that Stuff article:
Lol if that's the case it means they are the ones responsible for removing maori from official use!
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/301009592/ministry-leak-staff-backlash-after-te-reo-mori-scrubbed-from-official-use-ahead-of-new-government
"It’s not yet clear what the new government’s position will be on the use of Te Reo Māori by government departments because it’s not yet been formed."
You need to start analysing and comprehending what you're reading.
RE: Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - harm_less - 17-11-2023
(16-11-2023, 07:59 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote:Very few people know how much pandering to the various party's support bases and policies is happening within the coalition negotiations. All will be revealed when Luxon eventually announces what sort of partnership he's managed to stitch together with Winnie and Seymour, and then the reality of the situation will dawn on the electorate.(16-11-2023, 07:41 PM)harm_less Wrote: From within that Stuff article:So why do they care so much on removing it beforehand?
"It’s not yet clear what the new government’s position will be on the use of Te Reo Māori by government departments because it’s not yet been formed."
You need to start analysing and comprehending what you're reading.
RE: Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - Wainuiguy - 17-11-2023
(16-11-2023, 06:04 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:(16-11-2023, 04:53 PM)jim157 Wrote: new government still isnt in charge and the labour sheep are complaining
Only if you're assuming everyone here voted Labour...
Well either that or extreme Labour aka the Greens
RE: Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - SueDonim - 18-11-2023
The press are clearly unhappy. Having the three leaders maintaining an appropriate silence until there is something to announce is clearly driving them nuts. Luxon has handled everything pretty well - saying nothing without being rude. Good on him and shame on the reporters that keep pushing pushing pushing. Peters is being Peters - happy to tell them to piss off. Good on him and shame on the reporters that keep pushing pushing pushing. Seymour is showing his inexperience by being less keen to say "No" and is less polished in his answers. Not quite so "good on him" but still shame on the reporters that keep pushing pushing pushing.
Overall it is being slower than anyone would like, but as Luxon keeps saying, the important thing is to get it right. He showed his ability to prioritse appropriately by not going to APEC. Everyone, including (especially) the press needs to remember that the parties are not just the three leaders and it does seem that everyone who should be involved is being included as the discussions happen. Yes, it's slow, but far better to arrive at the right result step by step than rush it all through and have problems later. That's what Labour has done in the last 6 years of legislation and look at the mess we have, including the hold up we had with the vote counting because of all the election day enrollments. A change that should have been properly thought through but wasn't.
RE: Luxon's inexperience costs him international power play - Lilith7 - 18-11-2023
On the contrary - the mess we find oursleves in has happened not just in the previous govt's term but over 40 odd years, so both Labour & National have had a hand in it. Rather unfair to blame just one of them.
The press are there to push - that's their job, much as we might prefer them to back off & wait a bit.
I'm almost hoping they won't come to any finalisation until January, then we at least have xmas in peace before politicians start mucking things up.