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MP's pay rise not going down awfully well... - Lilith7 - 03-05-2024 Oh surely not! Surely the peasants must understand how they have to guard against any possibility of their standard of living slipping even a tiny bit... https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/political-roundup-accepting-a-significant-pay-rise-shows-how-out-of-touch-mps-are/TQ7AFDRO7BCSZPBJNRP6YU7RT4/ Quote:How entitled are New Zealand’s politicians? Right now, MPs across the political spectrum look entirely out of touch in their unified stance of accepting the hefty pay increases recommended by the Remuneration Authority. And they shouldn't bloody well be happening either, Chloe. Shame on all politicians for not speaking out against this, particularly at a time when so many are struggling. RE: MP's pay rise not going down awfully well... - Oh_hunnihunni - 03-05-2024 The point is they do not have to accept it. Just as landlords do not have to raise rents. It is a choice. Lots of folk these days have few choices about how they run their lives, so those with the power of choice should treat it as the privilege it is. RE: MP's pay rise not going down awfully well... - Zurdo - 03-05-2024 And the Police still don't get their pay rise...or the nurses...or the teachers. RE: MP's pay rise not going down awfully well... - Oh_hunnihunni - 03-05-2024 And who of these is the most use to society? Let's start paying people for the work they actually do, not for their job title. RE: MP's pay rise not going down awfully well... - nzoomed - 03-05-2024 The pay should be based on attendance in parliament. Seems crazy to see MPs speak in the house and so many empty seats! RE: MP's pay rise not going down awfully well... - Lilith7 - 03-05-2024 (03-05-2024, 04:45 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: The point is they do not have to accept it. Just as landlords do not have to raise rents. It is a choice. No. They don't - but they bloody well will, the greedy sods. (03-05-2024, 05:35 PM)Zurdo Wrote: And the Police still don't get their pay rise...or the nurses...or the teachers. Exactly. You'd think that in view of that, our glorious leader & his mates & fellow MP's might have the sensitivity to refuse the pay rises, might feel perhaps a tiny bit of shame. But no, not one of that lot has come out & turned it down. Greed rules. RE: MP's pay rise not going down awfully well... - Zurdo - 03-05-2024 They need to look at trimming some of their own fat too - far too many MP's, and half of them weren't even elected ! On the Party List - you're in on the gravy train if you didn't even get the job done. RE: MP's pay rise not going down awfully well... - Oh_hunnihunni - 04-05-2024 Listening to James Shaw's valedictory speech I learned something about MPs. He thanked his staff individually. They have an awful lot of paid help. RE: MP's pay rise not going down awfully well... - Lilith7 - 04-05-2024 (04-05-2024, 08:24 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Listening to James Shaw's valedictory speech I learned something about MPs. He thanked his staff individually. They probably need them, to help fend off those increasing numbers of massively pithed orff people... RE: MP's pay rise not going down awfully well... - dken31 - 06-05-2024 The challenge with setting MP pay is to make it enough so as to not turn away decent quality candidates, but no so much so as have people doing it for the money. But that is impossible to do really, as a smart motivated person with a decent amount of experience and expertise can easily earn more than an MP salary elsewhere, whereas it is also way more than a fair chunk of our current MPs could have ever dreamed of earning. As to whether or not they should accept the pay-rise, rank-and-file MPs have no say in their salaries and can't turn down the pay-rise, although there is nothing to stop them from donating the extra. Although Luxon isn't really supposed to (as it is meant to be set by an independent authority), he evidently could reject the pay-rise just like Ardern did. However, he's between a bit of rock & a hard place as it isn't a great look for him to be saying "we don't need pay-rises" when he's on $450K+ and standard MPs are on $170K-ish. When Ardern instigated the pay-freeze, there was strong bi-lateral support (Seymour was arguably the one that first tabled the idea), whereas I feel like most MPs have been fairly silent on the matter this time around. I think the best option is to keep the independent authority independent, and then any MPs that feel overpaid can donate the excess. RE: MP's pay rise not going down awfully well... - Lilith7 - 06-05-2024 (06-05-2024, 12:12 PM)dken31 Wrote: The challenge with setting MP pay is to make it enough so as to not turn away decent quality candidates, but no so much so as have people doing it for the money. But that is impossible to do really, as a smart motivated person with a decent amount of experience and expertise can easily earn more than an MP salary elsewhere, whereas it is also way more than a fair chunk of our current MPs could have ever dreamed of earning. I suspect the numbers of any doing so will be few & far between. RE: MP's pay rise not going down awfully well... - Zurdo - 06-05-2024 The Police keep turning down their pay offer...the MP's should too. RE: MP's pay rise not going down awfully well... - Lilith7 - 06-05-2024 (06-05-2024, 06:53 PM)Zurdo Wrote: The Police keep turning down their pay offer...the MP's should too. Yeah...but for very different reasons; one far too little, the other far too much. RE: MP's pay rise not going down awfully well... - dken31 - 06-05-2024 (06-05-2024, 06:53 PM)Zurdo Wrote: The Police keep turning down their pay offer...the MP's should too. The police situation is an active pay negotiation whereas MPs don't get to negotiate their pay with it instead being set by an independent body without any MP input. RE: MP's pay rise not going down awfully well... - Lilith7 - 07-05-2024 Perhaps we should have a vote on the level & possible increases to MP's pay, at the same time as the general election. I'm sure it would prove extremely interesting, & produce useful results... RE: MP's pay rise not going down awfully well... - Zurdo - 07-05-2024 Oh...it's nothing to do with them - yeah right. Times are tough, Government money is tight, in short supply...we need to cut costs. But our pay, no, no need to cut government expenditure in that area at all. RE: MP's pay rise not going down awfully well... - Lilith7 - 07-05-2024 A good many MPs are wealthy & have absolutely no need of a pay rise. Either they should forgo the rise,or donate to charity, with proof they've done so. |