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Nats target social housing again. - Lilith7 - 21-05-2024 They really cannot stand people to have govt provided housing. They claim there won't be wholsesale selling off of state housing but that seems unlikely. This is a bit lengthy but an interesting piece about Masterton & social housing being removed altogether from there for some time,until Kieran McaNulty managed to get it back. Eventually. (At about 20-21) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajy5DnY-Lso RE: Nats target social housing again. - Lilith7 - 21-05-2024 I forgot to mention that their 'study into social housing' was led by none other than one Biill English, so naturally. completely unbiased... And I am Marie of Romania... RE: Nats target social housing again. - Oh_hunnihunni - 21-05-2024 This is another way of rewarding property developers. By handing social housing to the private sector they continue to enrich the few by exploiting the many, while they pretend social responsibility. RE: Nats target social housing again. - Lilith7 - 21-05-2024 (21-05-2024, 06:27 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: This is another way of rewarding property developers. By handing social housing to the private sector they continue to enrich the few by exploiting the many, while they pretend social responsibility. Yes of course; thats what this is about - enriching the already wealthy while further impooverishing those who are struggling. I've just finshed Harry's last stand, Harry Leslie Smith on poverty in the UK & have just started another one,Poverty, by America. Mathew Desmond, who won the Pulitzer prize for an earlier one on eviction. Both the UK & USA were once far better off, but both countries have been deliberately Neo Liberalised, as we were once far better off. RE: Nats target social housing again. - Olive - 21-05-2024 And underlying all of the lies from Luxon, Bishop et al is the belief that poor people, damaged people, disabled people and unlucky people have brought it all on themselves somehow and should just disappear. Whenever any members of the present coalition are asked what do they think will happen to KO tenants who are evicted, they decline to answer. Presumably the unluckiest evicted tenants (and their children) will somehow just evaporate. RE: Nats target social housing again. - Lilith7 - 22-05-2024 (21-05-2024, 07:59 PM)Olive Wrote: And underlying all of the lies from Luxon, Bishop et al is the belief that poor people, damaged people, disabled people and unlucky people have brought it all on themselves somehow and should just disappear. Whenever any members of the present coalition are asked what do they think will happen to KO tenants who are evicted, they decline to answer. Presumably the unluckiest evicted tenants (and their children) will somehow just evaporate. If we continue down this road, then there will eventually be campls of homeless people in large numbers, just as there are in the US now. It seems to be a deliberate campaign on the part of various govts to deliberately demonise & worsen the situation for those already struggling. I think we might do better if all MP's were required to live in a modest Kainga Ora unit for the length of their term in parliament, & receive pay which is equivalent to the lowest wage or benefit, with extra permitted for travel & other expenses. And I also think that anyone who is wealthy should not be permitted to enter politics, & that donations to political parties should cease. Perhaps allocate a certain modest amount from taxes, & anything further required, then let them hold fund raisers, produce goods of some kind to sell. RE: Nats target social housing again. - Oh_hunnihunni - 22-05-2024 Better still, get rid of the electoral process and shoulder tap people with proven skills to represent the people in areas the government funds. That way we might get a better selection of people to do the jobs we need in running our communities. Democracy is all very well, but when it is hijacked by the wealthy and the power seekers, it simply doesn't work. RE: Nats target social housing again. - alpha111 - 22-05-2024 (21-05-2024, 02:43 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: I forgot to mention that their 'study into social housing' was led by none other than one Biill English, so naturally. completely unbiased... Is this the Sir Bill English who founded ImpactLab? Perhaps he did the work at mates rates. Has any reporter done an OIA on the funding for this exercise? At ImpactLab, we look at social value that can be linked to investment through understanding and quantifying:
Our social value calculation enables impact creators and funders to understand how an intervention helps to change lives for the better. We combine the social value with cost information to calculate a programme’s SROI (Social Return on Investment)
RE: Nats target social housing again. - Lilith7 - 22-05-2024 (22-05-2024, 04:32 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Better still, get rid of the electoral process and shoulder tap people with proven skills to represent the people in areas the government funds. That way we might get a better selection of people to do the jobs we need in running our communities. That could be worth a try - they can hardly do worse.... ![]() RE: Nats target social housing again. - Oh_hunnihunni - 22-05-2024 Why we expect MPs to suddenly become experts in areas they have absolutely no real experience in I have no idea. Our local MP for instance, was a paramedic. Useful occupation. Now he is the Minister for Climate Change. Good god... RE: Nats target social housing again. - Lilith7 - 23-05-2024 (22-05-2024, 08:19 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Why we expect MPs to suddenly become experts in areas they have absolutely no real experience in I have no idea. Our local MP for instance, was a paramedic. Useful occupation. Now he is the Minister for Climate Change. He should be in charge of Health,surely, just as a teacher/lecturer should be in charge of education. Anyone in charge of whatever it is should be able to point out what's damn well needed & see that it happens. The world is a weird place. And humans are crazy. ![]() RE: Nats target social housing again. - nzoomed - 24-05-2024 (21-05-2024, 06:27 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: This is another way of rewarding property developers. By handing social housing to the private sector they continue to enrich the few by exploiting the many, while they pretend social responsibility. I think its been going on for a while now, the majority of their homes are all being built by Wolfbrook, that company heavily advertises on the radio targeting property investors too. RE: Nats target social housing again. - Lilith7 - 24-05-2024 At least this country isn't as bad as America. Yet. But I suspect that's the aim of this govt. & others influenced by Neoliberal greed. RE: Nats target social housing again. - Lilith7 - 24-05-2024 Claiming John Key as an unbiased source for a review is a bit much for most to swallow; in fact so blatant is it that it gives the strong impression that this govt not only doesn't care about the welfare of those already strruggling, it also does not care to disguise to any great extent, its very clear agenda to widen the gap between rich & poor. Impoverishing those already struggling while further enriching the already wealthy seems to be the only agenda of this govt. https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL2405/S00064/on-the-privatising-of-state-housing-provision-by-stealth.htm Quote:The scathing “independent” review of Kāinga Ora barely hit the table before the coalition government had acted on it. The entire Kāinga Ora board will be replaced, and a new chair (Simon Moutter) has been announced. Hmm. No aspersions on Bill English, but the public would have had more confidence in this “independent” critique of Kāinga Ora’s expanded building programme if it had been carried out by someone other than a former National Party leader. RE: Nats target social housing again. - Lilith7 - 27-05-2024 The Listener cartoon of the week, on housing... https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=981500173982687&set=a.520966600036049 RE: Nats target social housing again. - harm_less - 27-05-2024 RE: Nats target social housing again. - Oh_hunnihunni - 28-05-2024 (24-05-2024, 03:41 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: Claiming John Key as an unbiased source for a review is a bit much for most to swallow; in fact so blatant is it that it gives the strong impression that this govt not only doesn't care about the welfare of those already strruggling, it also does not care to disguise to any great extent, its very clear agenda to widen the gap between rich & poor. How many mortgages are only 25% of the value of the property? RE: Nats target social housing again. - Lilith7 - 28-05-2024 (28-05-2024, 08:49 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote:(24-05-2024, 03:41 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: Claiming John Key as an unbiased source for a review is a bit much for most to swallow; in fact so blatant is it that it gives the strong impression that this govt not only doesn't care about the welfare of those already strruggling, it also does not care to disguise to any great extent, its very clear agenda to widen the gap between rich & poor. It is possible to fix the dire situation we're in. Its just that so far, no govt or opposition really wants to do so...bastards, the lot of them. ![]() RE: Nats target social housing again. - Lilith7 - 29-05-2024 "Political hit job" Chris Hipkins And three pages of alleged mistakes is significant. Quote:https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-lashes-out-at-political-hit-job-k-inga-ora-review-by-sir-bill-english.html RE: Nats target social housing again. - jim157 - 29-05-2024 (21-05-2024, 07:59 PM)Olive Wrote: And underlying all of the lies from Luxon, Bishop et al is the belief that poor people, damaged people, disabled people and unlucky people have brought it all on themselves somehow and should just disappear. Whenever any members of the present coalition are asked what do they think will happen to KO tenants who are evicted, they decline to answer. Presumably the unluckiest evicted tenants (and their children) will somehow just evaporate. if you cant behave like a normal person you don’t deserve a taxpayer subsidised house |