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Our health system seems to be falling apart - Lilith7 - 30-09-2024
And there appears to be virtually nothing being done to change that. Our health system has been progressivey worsening over decdades, thanks to the idiocy of Neo Liberalism & unless every govt from now on makes a determined effort nothng will change & there will be more incidents like these.
One man lost fingers after waiting hours to be seen.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/529401/man-with-minced-fingers-waits-hours-for-help-in-ed
Another patient died at Rororua's ED, yet its said to be safe by the Minister of health.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/527569/health-minister-assured-services-safe-at-rotorua-ed-despite-patient-death
RE: Our health system seems to be falling apart - C_T_Russell - 06-10-2024
It's a real mess thanks to labour and will take a long time to turn things around.
RE: Our health system seems to be falling apart - king1 - 06-10-2024
(06-10-2024, 12:17 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: It's a real mess thanks to labour and will take a long time to turn things around.it was a real mess well before Labour got their hands on it CT...
RE: Our health system seems to be falling apart - Lilith7 - 06-10-2024
(06-10-2024, 12:17 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: It's a real mess thanks to labour and will take a long time to turn things around.
Its hardly fair to point the finger at just one govt, when several of them, over several decades,are to blame.
RE: Our health system seems to be falling apart - harm_less - 06-10-2024
(06-10-2024, 12:17 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: It's a real mess thanks to labour and will take a long time to turn things around.Garnesh explains the problem NZ has with long term failure to invest in infrastructure. The issue goes back through decades of politicians sitting on their hands rather than making the tough decisions.
RE: Our health system seems to be falling apart - zqwerty - 06-10-2024
The huge stuff-up has got something to do with the interaction of multilevel complex tasks and middle and upper level management teams being in charge rather than the people who are actually doing the jobs having a lot more executive power than management teams will allow them.
RE: Our health system seems to be falling apart - Lilith7 - 06-10-2024
(06-10-2024, 02:41 PM)zqwerty Wrote: The huge stuff-up has got something to do with the interaction of multilevel complex tasks and middle and upper level management teams being in charge rather than the people who are actually doing the jobs having a lot more executive power than management teams will allow them.
Exactly - how difficult can it be, to actually ask those who work in health what it is that's needed & then act on what they say.
RE: Our health system seems to be falling apart - zqwerty - 06-10-2024
Forgot to add, too much money spent on executive staff and not enough on people actually doing the job, and this is deliberate as the management staff in general will always be more worried about what they personally get paid and not the smooth and efficient running of the actual tasks required to be done.
And don't forget management will be in charge of the allocated funds and where they go, and how much goes where.
RE: Our health system seems to be falling apart - Lilith7 - 06-10-2024
(06-10-2024, 05:25 PM)zqwerty Wrote: Forgot to add, too much money spent on executive staff and not enough on people actually doing the job, and this is deliberate as the management staff in general will always be more worried about what they personally get paid and not the smooth and efficient running of the actual tasks required to be done.
And don't forget management will be in charge of the allocated funds and where they go, and how much goes where.
Yep, absolutely; far too much coughed up for far too many when actual health is in dire need. An excellent start might to be removing all private health firms & raising taxes for everyone to fund a properly functioning, good quality health service without too many over paid 'managers'.
RE: Our health system seems to be falling apart - zqwerty - 06-10-2024
More independent oversight with teeth is required throughout the entire government systems, and those overseers needs to be overseen as well.
It's possible to do this, it just hasn't been done.
What's called the "dark agenda" of organizations needs to be taken into account and controlled and curtailed by oversight.
RE: Our health system seems to be falling apart - Lilith7 - 07-10-2024
(06-10-2024, 06:08 PM)zqwerty Wrote: More independent oversight with teeth is required throughout the entire government systems, and those overseers needs to be overseen as well.
It's possible to do this, it just hasn't been done.
What's called the "dark agenda" of organizations needs to be taken into account and controlled and curtailed by oversight.
That would make good sense. It should perhaps be made compulsory, & carefully overseen.
Not by politiciams...
RE: Our health system seems to be falling apart - C_T_Russell - 17-10-2024
(06-10-2024, 02:17 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:That's why I would never vote labour or national.(06-10-2024, 12:17 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: It's a real mess thanks to labour and will take a long time to turn things around.
Its hardly fair to point the finger at just one govt, when several of them, over several decades,are to blame.
(06-10-2024, 02:32 PM)harm_less Wrote:Agreed, just such a shame that none of the billions blown on covid didn't go into the health system instead.(06-10-2024, 12:17 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: It's a real mess thanks to labour and will take a long time to turn things around.Garnesh explains the problem NZ has with long term failure to invest in infrastructure. The issue goes back through decades of politicians sitting on their hands rather than making the tough decisions.
RE: Our health system seems to be falling apart - Oh_hunnihunni - 17-10-2024
I don't think our health system is falling apart. I know it could be improved, but that is not a decision I can influence in any way, so I try to take responsibility for my own health and lessen my demands upon those tasked with providing for me. When I need that care, it is there. I walk because it was there. I am alive after very real health threats because it is there. And I stay alive because it provides the means to do so. Courtesy of the hard work and expertise of many dedicated, under paid, under resourced, and over worked angels. And the odd rotten apple, lol.
We live in a democracy. We elect the people responsible for governing, for managing those who provide. We choose how we interact with those who provide. We judge both, and hold them responsible for our dissatisfaction.
Us.
RE: Our health system seems to be falling apart - harm_less - 17-10-2024
(17-10-2024, 06:53 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: Agreed, just such a shame that none of the billions blown on covid didn't go into the health system instead.The billions that were spend in the Covid response were instrumental in saving our health system from being overwhelmed by rampant spread of the virus unlike the situation that occurred in many countries such as the UK. Just because we weren't building new hospitals flat stick doesn't mean the health system was abandoned. Our isolation, social distancing and support of businesses did a fine job of putting our economy on a far stronger footing post-Covid than most OECD countries despite Luxon and co's ongoing accusations of financial mismanagement.
RE: Our health system seems to be falling apart - Oh_hunnihunni - 17-10-2024
I know I am very grateful for ours, and looking at other systems, I think we forget how lucky we are.
One thing I would like to see, is the amalgamation of ACC into the health system while keeping some aspects intact. ACC has such a safety net for its future, perhaps that could be invested more productively into the wider health 'industry'.
RE: Our health system seems to be falling apart - Olive - 17-10-2024
(17-10-2024, 08:46 AM)harm_less Wrote:(17-10-2024, 06:53 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: Agreed, just such a shame that none of the billions blown on covid didn't go into the health system instead.The billions that were spend in the Covid response were instrumental in saving our health system from being overwhelmed by rampant spread of the virus unlike the situation that occurred in many countries such as the UK. Just because we weren't building new hospitals flat stick doesn't mean the health system was abandoned. Our isolation, social distancing and support of businesses did a fine job of putting our economy on a far stronger footing post-Covid than most OECD countries despite Luxon and co's ongoing accusations of financial mismanagement.
Exactly. Thank you for expressing this so neatly.