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And then they came for the pensioners... - Lilith7 - 13-02-2025
Yes, it seems that our delighful & benevolent govt is to 'look' at superannuation, saying that it 'needs an overhaul'...I suspect that this will NOT involve any increase.
Aren't they just wonderfully resourceful - always thinking of new ways in which to help people. Mainly people like themselves & usually to the detriment of those on low incomes...
And no doubt 'action on the pension age' isn't going to involve lowering the age at which we become eligible. Probably just as well really, any announcement of this govt helping superannuitants might very well trigger multiple heart attacks across the country...
But with any sort of luck this just may be the thing which triggers Winnie to throw a massive berky...let it be so.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/541778/prominent-economists-call-for-superannuation-overhaul
RE: And then they came for the pensioners... - Oh_hunnihunni - 13-02-2025
Every government raises this issue. And quietly forgets about it, because it is in the too hard basket. Putting a means test on it like any other welfare benefit - which it is - would upset too many of its own support base, and raising the age though sensible is also fraught with negative political blow back.
Meantime, we continue to have one of the best super systems on the planet. And I am very grateful for it. But then, it is my only source of income.
RE: And then they came for the pensioners... - Lilith7 - 13-02-2025
(13-02-2025, 03:09 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Every government raises this issue. And quietly forgets about it, because it is in the too hard basket. Putting a means test on it like any other welfare benefit - which it is - would upset too many of its own support base, and raising the age though sensible is also fraught with negative political blow back.
Meantime, we continue to have one of the best super systems on the planet. And I am very grateful for it. But then, it is my only source of income.
That's generally what happens. But with this govt, who knows. They're clearly not bothered about causing hardship.
Still I'm almost hoping this lot do make a move to damage the super in some way, because that would be almost guarantee Winston throwing a massive wobbly...
RE: And then they came for the pensioners... - Oh_hunnihunni - 13-02-2025
I would like to see it means tested. Especially with Kiwisaver now coming to fruition - even if the test was generous I suspect the savings could be worthwhile. I'd rather see that than the age raised, too many impoverished elders miss out now due to shorter livespans, especially those with heavy manual labour employment backgrounds. And let's face it, those are the sorts of jobs AI will not replace, but that the community utterly depends upon.
As compared say to investment bankers...
RE: And then they came for the pensioners... - Olive - 13-02-2025
(13-02-2025, 07:42 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I would like to see it means tested. Especially with Kiwisaver now coming to fruition - even if the test was generous I suspect the savings could be worthwhile. I'd rather see that than the age raised, too many impoverished elders miss out now due to shorter livespans, especially those with heavy manual labour employment backgrounds. And let's face it, those are the sorts of jobs AI will not replace, but that the community utterly depends upon.
As compared say to investment bankers...
That is exactly what I think. I wonder how complex it would be to have means testing from, say, ages 60 - 75 then after 75 available to all.
RE: And then they came for the pensioners... - Oh_hunnihunni - 14-02-2025
Yup, I'd vote for that.
RE: And then they came for the pensioners... - Lilith7 - 14-02-2025
(13-02-2025, 07:42 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I would like to see it means tested. Especially with Kiwisaver now coming to fruition - even if the test was generous I suspect the savings could be worthwhile. I'd rather see that than the age raised, too many impoverished elders miss out now due to shorter livespans, especially those with heavy manual labour employment backgrounds. And let's face it, those are the sorts of jobs AI will not replace, but that the community utterly depends upon.
As compared say to investment bankers...
That would make sense, as long as it can be ring fenced somehow to prevent future meddling politicians making 'improvements' to it, which might mean making it all far worse for those who rely on it.
(13-02-2025, 07:55 PM)Olive Wrote:(13-02-2025, 07:42 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I would like to see it means tested. Especially with Kiwisaver now coming to fruition - even if the test was generous I suspect the savings could be worthwhile. I'd rather see that than the age raised, too many impoverished elders miss out now due to shorter livespans, especially those with heavy manual labour employment backgrounds. And let's face it, those are the sorts of jobs AI will not replace, but that the community utterly depends upon.
As compared say to investment bankers...
That is exactly what I think. I wonder how complex it would be to have means testing from, say, ages 60 - 75 then after 75 available to all.
Better than what's there now. As long as politicians can be legally prevented from 'improving' it by moving the age for it being available to all slowly but steadily to a later & later age.
RE: And then they came for the pensioners... - zqwerty - 14-02-2025
The more older people that are working the less jobs for young people moving into the work force, this is a ploy by the right wing to take money away from the poor and put it into the pockets of the already rich, vote them out as soon as possible, they are anachronisms from the past supporting capitalism when socialism is the answer.
GET RID OF LUXON AND HIS ILK.
What religion is Luxon?
Luxon is an evangelical Christian who is recognised as a social conservative. In his maiden parliamentary speech, Luxon defined himself as centre-right and moderate; the government he leads has been described as conservative and right-wing, and one of the most so since the 1990s.
RE: And then they came for the pensioners... - Lilith7 - 14-02-2025
(14-02-2025, 11:49 AM)zqwerty Wrote: The more older people that are working the less jobs for young people moving into the work force, this is a ploy by the right wing to take money away from the poor and put it into the pockets of the already rich, vote them out as soon as possible, they are anachronisms from the past supporting capitalism when socialism is the answer.
GET RID OF LUXON AND HIS ILK.
What religion is Luxon?
Luxon is an evangelical Christian who is recognised as a social conservative. In his maiden parliamentary speech, Luxon defined himself as centre-right and moderate; the government he leads has been described as conservative and right-wing, and one of the most so since the 1990s.
Yes, that's what they're all about. Neo Liberalism is a greed based system which has caused damage wherever its been adopted - or imposed, as it was here.
I think Luxon is a member of The Upper Room christian group.
RE: And then they came for the pensioners... - Lilith7 - 14-02-2025
If they thought they could get away with it, this govt (& probably some previous govts) would end all benefits tomorrow. And very likely bring back workhouses & orphanages...
https://www.odt.co.nz/business/economists-call-action-pension-age