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Prebble resigns from Waitangi Tribunal - Olive - 05-03-2025
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360602381/newly-appointed-richard-prebble-ditches-socialist-waitangi-tribunal
Good riddance!
RE: Prebble resigns from Waitangi Tribunal - Lilith7 - 05-03-2025
Ohdearwhatashamenevermind...
"There will never be equality for Maori"..."The socialist dream"
If that's his view then good blardy riddance; the man's clearly a fool. And if he genuinely thinks that a 'socialist dream' then he has not a clue.
RE: Prebble resigns from Waitangi Tribunal - Olive - 05-03-2025
"As Chairperson of the Waitangi Tribunal, I expect all members to undertake their own due diligence, to read reports, and understand the Vision, Mission and Purpose of the Waitangi Tribunal before accepting appointment. "
https://waitangitribunal.govt.nz/en/news-2/all-articles/news/statement-of-the-chairperson-of-the-waitangi-tribunal
Quite. I wonder if Prebble is aware of how foolish he appears. Or is he so starved of attention that nationwide derision is enough to be going on with.
RE: Prebble resigns from Waitangi Tribunal - Oh_hunnihunni - 05-03-2025
Well, I guess being 'awoken' is painful for some old people. Maybe they can find him a nice little sinecure on the board of some investment bank or something...
So he feels wanted.
RE: Prebble resigns from Waitangi Tribunal - zqwerty - 05-03-2025
Evil Prebble looks a lot like Evil Trumpanzee, never realized before how similar their facial structure is, they both need to begone, the gloating ignoramuses that they are.
RE: Prebble resigns from Waitangi Tribunal - Lilith7 - 05-03-2025
(05-03-2025, 12:53 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Well, I guess being 'awoken' is painful for some old people. Maybe they can find him a nice little sinecure on the board of some investment bank or something...
So he feels wanted.
Yeah, like Jenny Shipley did...although I think she retired. Or something...
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/383915/dame-jenny-shipley-steps-down-as-director-of-china-construction-bank
RE: Prebble resigns from Waitangi Tribunal - C_T_Russell - 05-03-2025
Hobsons pledge explains his decision and why it was the right one.
Bugger! If you haven't seen the news, former Labour Minister and ACT Party leader Richard Prebble has resigned from the Waitangi Tribunal.
Appointed in October last year, Prebble was a controversial pick but one that brought hope to those of us who want to see the radicalisation of the Waitangi Tribunal tempered.
It is precisely that radicalisation that led to Prebble's resignation.
In a searing rebuke of the Tribunal and successive governments that have enabled its extremist turn, Richard Prebble announced his resignation via a column in the New Zealand Herald.
The line that stood out most for me was:
"I will not participate in turning the Treaty into a socialist manifesto."
Prebble's opinion piece is spot on. It is a real shame that the Herald have chosen to place it behind a paywall. He calls out the ludicrousness of the modern idea that Māori never ceded sovereignty and his succinct reasoning should be repeated for all to hear:
"There were chiefs who had been to Australia and England. Chiefs who signed the English text. Chiefs who did not sign because they said they would not cede sovereignty.
No chief, including Hone Heke, who may have regretted signing, ever said that sovereignty had not been ceded.
Letters written by chiefs who signed the Treaty to governors complaining the Treaty was not being honoured never denied that sovereignty had been ceded.
Partnership is a 20th-century invention."
The former Labour Minister and ACT Party leader's assessment of the state of the Waitangi Tribunal is, in my view, painfully accurate. We are dealing with activists who have not only rejected New Zealand's history, they have rewritten their own.
The Tribunal has "declared it is not bound by previous tribunal rulings that sovereignty was ceded or by decisions of the courts." This means they have freed themselves up to deviate from historical rulings to change the narrative completely.
Even more important than his evisceration of the Tribunal is the righteous disdain he has for successive Labour and National governments and their failure to address the rapid radicalisation of the Tribunal and its proxies. He says:
"Parliament, by empowering the tribunal to make recommendations based on the principles of the Treaty, has allowed the tribunal to create Treaty principles.
The tribunal’s rulings only have legal effect when the Crown adopts them. The Labour Government and now National have failed to respond to the tribunal’s radical ruling.
The Minister of Justice should have upheld earlier tribunal decisions that sovereignty was ceded."
Prebble calls on our current Government to enact the New Zealand First coalition agreement that says:
“Amend the Waitangi Tribunal legislation to refocus the scope, purpose and nature of its inquiries back to the original intent of that legislation.”
We must echo Prebble's call. We are at a dangerous crossroads in our nation's history, and if our elected leaders do not take action to stabilise our country and halt the radical destruction of democracy being advanced, we are in very big trouble indeed.
I'll leave you with the final sentence of Prebble's article because it is the most important of all:
"It is time for the Prime Minister to lead and uphold that there is one Treaty, one country and one citizenship."
RE: Prebble resigns from Waitangi Tribunal - Oh_hunnihunni - 06-03-2025
But CT, the Treaty was drafted and signed by two peoples, in the full knowledge of the visitors. It could be said they had more knowledge of what they were doing than the landowners they were 'treating' with, so these attempts to rewrite the terms and interpretation of that founding document are just a little on the nose really, and not just from the point of view of tangata whenua.
You see, lots of us New Zealanders have mixed our genetics with Maori, and value their histories, their values and belief systems, as much as we value those of our other ancestral lines. Our Euro, our Scandi, our Asian heritages. All those lines back to the people who made us are valued, we aren't any more interested in forgetting those than we are in forgetting the more recent links. That is the only way to become 'one' with those of other heritages. We are all different, but all the same. Rewriting the Treaty will not create 'one country, one citizenship', learning to value and appreciate the true uniqueness that is Aotearoa New Zealand is, and we do that by accepting its true history, not rewriting it to suit some imagined colonial unreality.
And until we do that, we will be a country split by inequity, prey to divisive intentions, and the agendas of agents operating under malicious ideologies. Colonisers, in other words. And we know where that leads, if we look back on our history with clear eyes, if we look out into the world right now, with those same clear eyes. We learn from our past, or we repeat it.
RE: Prebble resigns from Waitangi Tribunal - Lilith7 - 06-03-2025
Hobson's pledge are rather extreme, to put it mildly.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/525042/nzme-to-review-advertising-policies-after-hobson-s-pledge-ad
https://mro.massey.ac.nz/server/api/core/bitstreams/bfc17805-fa10-4368-b104-f4f013f6019c/content
RE: Prebble resigns from Waitangi Tribunal - zqwerty - 06-03-2025
So glad if prebble is having a rough ride, hoping for many more in his future, the despicable human being that he is; hoping that douglas is riding many bumpy roads right along with him.
RE: Prebble resigns from Waitangi Tribunal - C_T_Russell - 11-03-2025
(06-03-2025, 08:51 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: But CT, the Treaty was drafted and signed by two peoples, in the full knowledge of the visitors. It could be said they had more knowledge of what they were doing than the landowners they were 'treating' with, so these attempts to rewrite the terms and interpretation of that founding document are just a little on the nose really, and not just from the point of view of tangata whenua.Exactly my point, many of us are mixed with maori, not to mention we are a multicultural society.
You see, lots of us New Zealanders have mixed our genetics with Maori, and value their histories, their values and belief systems, as much as we value those of our other ancestral lines. Our Euro, our Scandi, our Asian heritages. All those lines back to the people who made us are valued, we aren't any more interested in forgetting those than we are in forgetting the more recent links. That is the only way to become 'one' with those of other heritages. We are all different, but all the same. Rewriting the Treaty will not create 'one country, one citizenship', learning to value and appreciate the true uniqueness that is Aotearoa New Zealand is, and we do that by accepting its true history, not rewriting it to suit some imagined colonial unreality.
And until we do that, we will be a country split by inequity, prey to divisive intentions, and the agendas of agents operating under malicious ideologies. Colonisers, in other words. And we know where that leads, if we look back on our history with clear eyes, if we look out into the world right now, with those same clear eyes. We learn from our past, or we repeat it.
Everyone needs to be treated equal regardless of race.
What's interesting is that Prebble doesn't entirely support the treaty principles bill, but can see why Seymour has introduced it, as it's a direct result of these principles being fabricated by the Waitangi tribunal.
See here:
RE: Prebble resigns from Waitangi Tribunal - Oh_hunnihunni - 12-03-2025
Equal? First though we need to raise up those who are patently suffering from inequality though, don't you think?
Funny thing, I was never really aware of my own white privilege until I had a mixed race child, and saw how our community treated her, because of her ethnicity. Through her life experience I became 'woke', I woke up to the institutionalised racism she encountered every day in some form or another from the casual to the overt.
On top of that awakening, her recognition and adoption of her Maori heritage also taught me a great deal, leading to my own exploration of the history of this nation, a history very different to the one I had been taught in some very excellent schools, schools I was privileged to gain entry to...
Many of my generation, the boomers, still have to process the effects of the privileges we never realised we enjoyed. If we did not have the benefits of those real life lessons I had through raising a mixed race child they continue to live in blissful ignorance, talking about equality of treatment, equality of opportunity, one nation, one people and all that lovely stuff that fails to recognise the huge disparities that exist between peoples, between histories - both personal and community. And ignores - often deliberately - the continuing imposition of systemic barriers to achieving that equality, the continued impoverishment, the social neglect, the ghettoing, the educational starvation, and the employment siloing that keeps certain sections of our community firmly in their place.
And why? Why do nice well meaning privileged people do this? Because it benefits them. And for that reason, it is a social battle that will continue to be fought, with all the same gains and losses that make battles such enormous wastes of time, effort, resources, and human lives.
RE: Prebble resigns from Waitangi Tribunal - king1 - 12-03-2025
(11-03-2025, 10:18 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: Everyone needs to be treated equal regardless of race.That logic breaks down in a multicultural society, where some cultures in that society (say pacific islanders) have health needs different to others. insisting it is valid essentially says that the aforementioned multicultural society needs to adhere to the values of the incumbent stale white guys... so therefore, it would seem to be racism in its own right.
RE: Prebble resigns from Waitangi Tribunal - Lilith7 - 12-03-2025
(11-03-2025, 10:18 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote:(06-03-2025, 08:51 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: But CT, the Treaty was drafted and signed by two peoples, in the full knowledge of the visitors. It could be said they had more knowledge of what they were doing than the landowners they were 'treating' with, so these attempts to rewrite the terms and interpretation of that founding document are just a little on the nose really, and not just from the point of view of tangata whenua.Exactly my point, many of us are mixed with maori, not to mention we are a multicultural society.
You see, lots of us New Zealanders have mixed our genetics with Maori, and value their histories, their values and belief systems, as much as we value those of our other ancestral lines. Our Euro, our Scandi, our Asian heritages. All those lines back to the people who made us are valued, we aren't any more interested in forgetting those than we are in forgetting the more recent links. That is the only way to become 'one' with those of other heritages. We are all different, but all the same. Rewriting the Treaty will not create 'one country, one citizenship', learning to value and appreciate the true uniqueness that is Aotearoa New Zealand is, and we do that by accepting its true history, not rewriting it to suit some imagined colonial unreality.
And until we do that, we will be a country split by inequity, prey to divisive intentions, and the agendas of agents operating under malicious ideologies. Colonisers, in other words. And we know where that leads, if we look back on our history with clear eyes, if we look out into the world right now, with those same clear eyes. We learn from our past, or we repeat it.
Everyone needs to be treated equal regardless of race.
What's interesting is that Prebble doesn't entirely support the treaty principles bill, but can see why Seymour has introduced it, as it's a direct result of these principles being fabricated by the Waitangi tribunal.
See here:
Here you go equality & equity:
https://dawnxhenderson.medium.com/challenging-the-image-on-equity-and-equality-c3bb93ff0fb0