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Treaty Principles Referendum - C_T_Russell - 06-04-2025
Proposed by David Seymour.
This should put the whole thing to rest.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360640874/no-thanks-select-committee-report-dunks-david-seymours-treaty-principles-bill
RE: Treaty Principles Referendum - Lilith7 - 06-04-2025
David Seymour is wrong.
The shock he & others got when there were such massive protests against his meddling should have been sufficient answer; the majority of us do NOT want any alterations to the treaty.
Further attempts such as a referendum are completely unneccesary.
RE: Treaty Principles Referendum - Praktica - 06-04-2025
The only reason Seymour wants a referendum is that he knows his rich backers will contribute enough to flood the media with misleading propaganda, to scare the ignorant...
RE: Treaty Principles Referendum - C_T_Russell - 06-04-2025
No one in support put in submissions for a bill that was never going to get passed.
It's not surprising that nobody wasted their time putting in a submission.
The question remains "what are the principles of the treaty?"
This is a big problem for politicians because legislation can't be made when issues surrounding the treaty are involved.
Lots of things have to be in line with the treaty principles, but when they are not defined and open to interpretation, it opens a whole can of worms.
They should have been defined from the beginning and we would not even be in this mess.
David Seymour did a good job bringing it to the publics attention.
I knew very little on the subject until this bill was bought forward.
Why do we even need principles at all? The treaty treats us all equal regardless.
RE: Treaty Principles Referendum - zqwerty - 06-04-2025
Maori have a special standing in NZ because they are indisputably the "People of the Land".
RE: Treaty Principles Referendum - C_T_Russell - 06-04-2025
(06-04-2025, 04:07 PM)zqwerty Wrote: Maori have a special standing in NZ because they are indisputably the "People of the Land".
Where does the treaty specify this?
I was born in NZ too, and I along with maori are also a person of the land.
This racial division needs to end.
And the question still remains about why there needs to be principles that have no definition.
RE: Treaty Principles Referendum - zqwerty - 06-04-2025
Because you take everything so literally and down to the last iota you are missing subtleties in normal life that other people just take for granted and find easy to understand.
I think you may have a well known condition which causes the afflicted to behave as you do. David Seymour has the same condition as well. Both of you and your excessive longings for things to be defined down to the last detail show a longing for certainty which unfortunately is not available in normal life, you will just have to toughen up and realize that we do not live in an ideal world.
I believe that the Universe and everything in it is a great work of art and as such, hard and fast rules taken to heart are a way and a road to great unhappiness.
RE: Treaty Principles Referendum - Oh_hunnihunni - 06-04-2025
Stupid boy. His referendum is a pipe dream. 90% of the politically active voting public say so...
(06-04-2025, 05:36 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote:(06-04-2025, 04:07 PM)zqwerty Wrote: Maori have a special standing in NZ because they are indisputably the "People of the Land".
Where does the treaty specify this?
I was born in NZ too, and I along with maori are also a person of the land.
This racial division needs to end.
And the question still remains about why there needs to be principles that have no definition.
Interesting claim ct, what makes you a person of the land?
RE: Treaty Principles Referendum - Praktica - 06-04-2025
(06-04-2025, 06:09 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Stupid boy. His referendum is a pipe dream. 90% of the politically active voting public say so...
(06-04-2025, 05:36 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: Where does the treaty specify this?
I was born in NZ too, and I along with maori are also a person of the land.
This racial division needs to end.
And the question still remains about why there needs to be principles that have no definition.
Interesting claim ct, what makes you a person of the land?
Perhaps he's a "freeman on the land" - a completely different sort of idiot...
RE: Treaty Principles Referendum - C_T_Russell - 06-04-2025
(06-04-2025, 06:09 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Stupid boy. His referendum is a pipe dream. 90% of the politically active voting public say so...
(06-04-2025, 05:36 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: Where does the treaty specify this?
I was born in NZ too, and I along with maori are also a person of the land.
This racial division needs to end.
And the question still remains about why there needs to be principles that have no definition.
Interesting claim ct, what makes you a person of the land?
What makes a maori a person of the land any more than myself or anyone born here?
All our ancestors were immigrants to NZ regardless of race.
RE: Treaty Principles Referendum - Oh_hunnihunni - 06-04-2025
Mmmm, I might disagree on that, but I have run out of energy tonight. Thanks for the convo ct, time I tried to get some sleep!
RE: Treaty Principles Referendum - C_T_Russell - 06-04-2025
Good night
RE: Treaty Principles Referendum - heisenberg - 14-04-2025
(06-04-2025, 01:55 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: Why do we even need principles at all? The treaty treats us all equal regardless.
yea na
RE: Treaty Principles Referendum - Oh_hunnihunni - 14-04-2025
Agreed. Definitely yeah, nah ct! And hello heisenberg. That's an interesting moniker. Bound to be a story behind that?
RE: Treaty Principles Referendum - king1 - 14-04-2025
Just watching Breaking Bad at the moment, Walter Whites nick is Heisenberg
RE: Treaty Principles Referendum - Oh_hunnihunni - 14-04-2025
Ahhh... great taste in tv too.
I have just completed my collection of GoT series, next I think will be Sopranos... To veer off topic for a minute...
RE: Treaty Principles Referendum - heisenberg - 15-04-2025
(14-04-2025, 06:21 PM)king1 Wrote: Just watching Breaking Bad at the moment, Walter Whites nick is Heisenberg
watch Better Call Saul and Elcamino they follow on from BB
RE: Treaty Principles Referendum - Oh_hunnihunni - 15-04-2025
Seen the Sauls, but not El Camino. Will keep an eye out, thanks...