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An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - king1 - 01-06-2025
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/may/31/jacinda-ardern-kind-leadership-public-rage-life-trump-america
RE: An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - zqwerty - 01-06-2025
Yes and there she is, our greatest ever leader which the idiots drove out of power and out of the country with death threats and she had just got married and had a child, for shame and a curse on them all, hope karma gets them all.
RE: An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - heisenberg - 01-06-2025
i call bullshit, no way her security would let someone into a toilet area when she was in there
as much as you lot love her just as many kiwis hate her
she was a post turtle
(01-06-2025, 03:28 PM)zqwerty Wrote: Yes and there she is, our greatest ever leader which the idiots drove out of power and out of the country with death threats and she had just got married and had a child, for shame and a curse on them all, hope karma gets them all.
lol like fcuk she was
RE: An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - Oh_hunnihunni - 01-06-2025
I don't think you are correct on the hating thing. I suspect haters are always in the minority. And a pretty small one at that.
Bit like in here really...
(Poke poke, lol)
RE: An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - Lilith7 - 01-06-2025
(01-06-2025, 03:28 PM)zqwerty Wrote: Yes and there she is, our greatest ever leader which the idiots drove out of power and out of the country with death threats and she had just got married and had a child, for shame and a curse on them all, hope karma gets them all.
No no, don't hold back - tell us what you really feel!
Couldn't agree more. I suspect that it may well be a good many years before her leading style is understood & she's truly appreciated.
I think the impact of one single act - the hug she gave a woman after the terrorist attack here - will eventually also be understood as the instinctive, empathic act that it was.
RE: An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - heisenberg - 01-06-2025
(01-06-2025, 03:48 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:(01-06-2025, 03:28 PM)zqwerty Wrote: Yes and there she is, our greatest ever leader which the idiots drove out of power and out of the country with death threats and she had just got married and had a child, for shame and a curse on them all, hope karma gets them all.
No no, don't hold back - tell us what you really feel!
Couldn't agree more. I suspect that it may well be a good many years before her leading style is understood & she's truly appreciated.
I think the impact of one single act - the hug she gave a woman after the terrorist attack here - will eventually also be understood as the instinctive, empathic act that it was.
whilst wearing a hijab, a sign of female oppression
RE: An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - zqwerty - 01-06-2025
I don't know how anyone can call themselves sane and not appreciate Jacinda.
RE: An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - king1 - 01-06-2025
(01-06-2025, 03:50 PM)heisenberg Wrote:what dictionary are you using? even a quick google will tell you that is not what a hijab represents... (correct answer is modesty)(01-06-2025, 03:48 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: No no, don't hold back - tell us what you really feel!
Couldn't agree more. I suspect that it may well be a good many years before her leading style is understood & she's truly appreciated.
I think the impact of one single act - the hug she gave a woman after the terrorist attack here - will eventually also be understood as the instinctive, empathic act that it was.
whilst wearing a hijab, a sign of female oppression
RE: An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - Oh_hunnihunni - 01-06-2025
(01-06-2025, 03:50 PM)heisenberg Wrote:(01-06-2025, 03:48 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: No no, don't hold back - tell us what you really feel!
Couldn't agree more. I suspect that it may well be a good many years before her leading style is understood & she's truly appreciated.
I think the impact of one single act - the hug she gave a woman after the terrorist attack here - will eventually also be understood as the instinctive, empathic act that it was.
whilst wearing a hijab, a sign of female oppression
Garbage. I know several Muslim women, most busy running their own businesses or in professional roles. What they wear is a personal choice, made for many reasons, oppression is not one of them. That attitude you display by such a statement is not only a conditioned political response, but it is ignorant, revealing a real lack of understanding of the roles within a modern Islamic family, or community.
Does wearing the keffiyeh make our politicians into Palestinians?
Is wearing a tie a sign of the patriarchy? Suits? Or a symbol of the role imposed on men they are unable to escape in western society? Socks with sandals? A handkerchief knotted at the corners and worn on the head as my very English step father in law loved to wear while mowing a kiwi lawn to within an inch of its poor summer life (much to my secret hilarity)? We are so bad at judging people by what they wear, we even legislate against entire groups on the basis of the cloth they choose to put on their bodies.
We should be ashamed of ourselves. Or at least more aware...
RE: An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - heisenberg - 02-06-2025
(01-06-2025, 05:44 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote:(01-06-2025, 03:50 PM)heisenberg Wrote: whilst wearing a hijab, a sign of female oppression
Garbage. I know several Muslim women, most busy running their own businesses or in professional roles. What they wear is a personal choice, made for many reasons, oppression is not one of them. That attitude you display by such a statement is not only a conditioned political response, but it is ignorant, revealing a real lack of understanding of the roles within a modern Islamic family, or community.
Does wearing the keffiyeh make our politicians into Palestinians?
Is wearing a tie a sign of the patriarchy? Suits? Or a symbol of the role imposed on men they are unable to escape in western society? Socks with sandals? A handkerchief knotted at the corners and worn on the head as my very English step father in law loved to wear while mowing a kiwi lawn to within an inch of its poor summer life (much to my secret hilarity)? We are so bad at judging people by what they wear, we even legislate against entire groups on the basis of the cloth they choose to put on their bodies.
We should be ashamed of ourselves. Or at least more aware...
there are 3 muslim women in my family they dont wear the hijab here but when the go home they must wear it...its not their choice
Politicians wearing the keffiyeh are virtue signalling activists
RE: An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - Oh_hunnihunni - 02-06-2025
Go home? As in other countries? Other countries, other rules, other choices. Hard ones for sure, but choices still. Like America. Appeasing Trump is a choice, as is resisting and opposing. As is expressing an opinion, or staying silent. As is choosing our words when we speak about other people.
What we wear is an expression of many things, we make a statement with our clothes. Some days I wear black, right down to my lace up heavy soled combat style boots. Other days fuchsia and screaming orange with a purple buttonhole, just for the sheer glee of it. Some days I fly the tino flag, or put the embroidered version on my back, yes, it's signalling. But why call it 'virtue signalling'? There's something wrong with virtue? Something wrong with social justice? Something wrong with having a cause to support? Something wrong with telling the world how we feel on a given day?
I think your Muslim women enjoy the freedom of choice, here, and there. Because it is still choice, please themselves, or choose to please someone else...
RE: An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - king1 - 02-06-2025
(02-06-2025, 08:59 AM)heisenberg Wrote:(01-06-2025, 05:44 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Garbage. I know several Muslim women, most busy running their own businesses or in professional roles. What they wear is a personal choice, made for many reasons, oppression is not one of them. That attitude you display by such a statement is not only a conditioned political response, but it is ignorant, revealing a real lack of understanding of the roles within a modern Islamic family, or community.
Does wearing the keffiyeh make our politicians into Palestinians?
Is wearing a tie a sign of the patriarchy? Suits? Or a symbol of the role imposed on men they are unable to escape in western society? Socks with sandals? A handkerchief knotted at the corners and worn on the head as my very English step father in law loved to wear while mowing a kiwi lawn to within an inch of its poor summer life (much to my secret hilarity)? We are so bad at judging people by what they wear, we even legislate against entire groups on the basis of the cloth they choose to put on their bodies.
We should be ashamed of ourselves. Or at least more aware...
there are 3 muslim women in my family they dont wear the hijab here but when the go home they must wear it...its not their choice
I feel that says far more about the people they are going home to...
RE: An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - zqwerty - 02-06-2025
Virtue signalling is the act of expressing opinions or stances that align with popular moral values, often through social media, with the intent of demonstrating one's good character. The term virtue signalling is frequently used pejoratively to suggest that the person is more concerned with appearing virtuous than with actually supporting the cause or belief in question.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling
RE: An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - Zurdo - 02-06-2025
In the '70's what you wore, drove or rode was a statement - I wonder what the right wing Boomers were wearing back then ?
RE: An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - heisenberg - 02-06-2025
(02-06-2025, 11:33 AM)Zurdo Wrote: In the '70's what you wore, drove or rode was a statement - I wonder what the right wing Boomers were wearing back then ?
big motorbikes and fast cars just like now
RE: An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - Oh_hunnihunni - 02-06-2025
Hair was bad but the shirts were very colourful. And, we had hot pants with split skirts. Oh those were great man catchers, lol...
RE: An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - Zurdo - 02-06-2025
I think they were among us, and struggling with ideals.
RE: An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - zqwerty - 02-06-2025
"I think they were among us, and struggling with ideals." Yes Zurdo, that's putting it well.
RE: An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - Lilith7 - 02-06-2025
(01-06-2025, 03:50 PM)heisenberg Wrote:(01-06-2025, 03:48 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: No no, don't hold back - tell us what you really feel!
Couldn't agree more. I suspect that it may well be a good many years before her leading style is understood & she's truly appreciated.
I think the impact of one single act - the hug she gave a woman after the terrorist attack here - will eventually also be understood as the instinctive, empathic act that it was.
whilst wearing a hijab, a sign of female oppression
So the reason she did just sailed over your head then.....
RE: An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern - zqwerty - 02-06-2025
Remember trolls just troll, there's no rhyme or reason it's just sheer bloody mindedness to get on your goat and get a rise out of you.
They especially attack treasured beliefs and undermine them.
There was a cult here in Christchurch that was called Z.A.P., Zenith Applied Philosophy, which used this technique as a way to break people's minds through proving to them that all they hold dear is actually not true and then after they collapse mentally they go into a state of fugue (a period during which a person experiences loss of memory, often begins a new life, and, upon recovery, remembers nothing of the amnesic phase) and can be reprogrammed into believing anything. Z.A.P. used this to get people working for very low wages in their Fried Chicken Outlets in the Square and Carlton Corner whilst they sorted themselves out again after the mind zap and got back on track admittedly altered and never the same again. (The Dog House, Farmer John's Chicken House)
It works because all beliefs are just that, beliefs, knowing is the thing that's harder to destroy in anyone's mind, it goes: thinking, believing, knowing.
The leader of the cult had people driving past his place somewhere on the way to the University of Canterbury, in Fendalton I believe, shooting shot guns through the walls. (John Dalhoff (aka John Ultimate)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenith_Applied_Philosophy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dalhoff
There's a bit more if you search for Zenith Applied Philosophy on Google.
Doesn't sound much like NZ does it?
When I was on my way to Christchurch I think it was when I was in transit in Durban and I had a conversation with someone in the bar of a hotel and one of the things they said to me was: Look Out For The Cults in NZ there is lots of them. They also said back in the past that Christchurch was known as Sin City. I guess that would have been in the hay days of Lyttleton Port before the advent of container ships shut a lot of the pubs down.
Crazy really but it happened.