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Devious ACT move - Lilith7 - 15-07-2025
They're close to taking the prize for most devious, underhanded political party ever. I could comment further but not without swearing profusely..
The long Neo Liberal con, the regulatory standards bill. Their aim is to enshrine the rights of individuals - particulalry propety holders & business owners, over the collective good of all Kiwis.
This could make it more difficult for govt to regulate harmful business practises or corporate exploitation, even if that's in the public interest.
https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/12/18/the-long-neoliberal-con/
https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/07/15/anne-salmond-freedom-for-whom/
RE: Devious ACT move - heisenberg - 15-07-2025
Anyone would think you have a stiffie for seymore
RE: Devious ACT move - Oh_hunnihunni - 15-07-2025
Gross.
Luxon had to have a word with him. Well, that's a step in the right direction.
RE: Devious ACT move - Lilith7 - 15-07-2025
(15-07-2025, 03:59 PM)heisenberg Wrote: Anyone would think you have a stiffie for seymore
If you mean that I dislike him, you'd be right.
The man's a contemptible human being. To be as polite as possible.
(15-07-2025, 04:18 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Gross.
Luxon had to have a word with him. Well, that's a step in the right direction.
But probably all its ever going to be, just a word.
RE: Devious ACT move - heisenberg - 15-07-2025
(15-07-2025, 04:48 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:i feel the same way about jacinda ardern, narcissistic contemptible human being who is now living the high life, not worrying about all the children living in the poverdy she created for them(15-07-2025, 03:59 PM)heisenberg Wrote: Anyone would think you have a stiffie for seymore
If you mean that I dislike him, you'd be right.
The man's a contemptible human being. To be as polite as possible.
But probably all its ever going to be, just a wrd.
RE: Devious ACT move - Praktica - 15-07-2025
(15-07-2025, 05:31 PM)heisenberg Wrote:(15-07-2025, 04:48 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: If you mean that I dislike him, you'd be right.i feel the same way about jacinda ardern, narcissistic contemptible human being who is now living the high life, not worrying about all the children living in the poverdy she created for them
The man's a contemptible human being. To be as polite as possible.
But probably all its ever going to be, just a wrd.
Tell us how she created poverty for kids....if you can.
RE: Devious ACT move - harm_less - 15-07-2025
(15-07-2025, 04:18 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Gross.It's almost as though Luxon is growing a spine in regard to his being the PM rather than his coalition partners' meal ticket.
Luxon had to have a word with him. Well, that's a step in the right direction.
RE: Devious ACT move - heisenberg - 16-07-2025
(15-07-2025, 05:44 PM)Praktica Wrote:(15-07-2025, 05:31 PM)heisenberg Wrote: i feel the same way about jacinda ardern, narcissistic contemptible human being who is now living the high life, not worrying about all the children living in the poverdy she created for them
Tell us how she created poverty for kids....if you can.
do your own research, typical labour voter wants someone else to do all the work
Removing tax deductions from LLs put rents up for a starter
RE: Devious ACT move - king1 - 16-07-2025
(16-07-2025, 05:40 AM)heisenberg Wrote:you made the claim - back it up with facts...(15-07-2025, 05:44 PM)Praktica Wrote: Tell us how she created poverty for kids....if you can.
do your own research, typical labour voter wants someone else to do all the work
RE: Devious ACT move - Oh_hunnihunni - 16-07-2025
How did Ardern create poverty?
RE: Devious ACT move - king1 - 16-07-2025
(16-07-2025, 05:40 AM)heisenberg Wrote:(15-07-2025, 05:44 PM)Praktica Wrote: Tell us how she created poverty for kids....if you can.
Removing tax deductions from LLs put rents up for a starter
Try again, supply and demand sets the price, not input costs.
Besides I thought you said in another thread loads of landlords went bust and/or sold up? Why would that be happening if they could just stick the rents up?
RE: Devious ACT move - Praktica - 16-07-2025
(16-07-2025, 05:40 AM)heisenberg Wrote:(15-07-2025, 05:44 PM)Praktica Wrote: Tell us how she created poverty for kids....if you can.
do your own research, typical labour voter wants someone else to do all the work
Removing tax deductions from LLs put rents up for a starter
In other words, you're making shit up again.
RE: Devious ACT move - Lilith7 - 16-07-2025
(15-07-2025, 05:31 PM)heisenberg Wrote:(15-07-2025, 04:48 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: If you mean that I dislike him, you'd be right.i feel the same way about jacinda ardern, narcissistic contemptible human being who is now living the high life, not worrying about all the children living in the poverdy she created for them
The man's a contemptible human being. To be as polite as possible.
But probably all its ever going to be, just a wrd.
That's rather unfair. If you open the other eye you'll see that the evil system we now struggle under began way back when Roger Douglas & the David Lange govt imposed Neo Liberalism her back in the 1980's.
Various govts have worsened it in various ways, so hardly fair to claim that just one person you happen to dislike is responsible..
(15-07-2025, 10:06 PM)harm_less Wrote:(15-07-2025, 04:18 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Gross.It's almost as though Luxon is growing a spine in regard to his being the PM rather than his coalition partners' meal ticket.
Luxon had to have a word with him. Well, that's a step in the right direction.
Yeah...I suspect that'll pass fairly swiftly.
(16-07-2025, 05:40 AM)heisenberg Wrote:(15-07-2025, 05:44 PM)Praktica Wrote: Tell us how she created poverty for kids....if you can.
do your own research, typical labour voter wants someone else to do all the work
Removing tax deductions from LLs put rents up for a starter
Dr Ganesh Ahirao. Economist.
https://bryanbruce.substack.com/p/ep-60-head2head-with-economist-dr?r=2qjk6r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&fbclid=IwY2xjawLjychleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHvvk9DRd5vwsA0jr41FIciObTXiHoP4IAL1My33xtlMpQq6xRB5jqfoLZ1M1_aem_r96WT3krg93TkPknR24bsQ&triedRedirect=true
RE: Devious ACT move - heisenberg - 16-07-2025
(16-07-2025, 11:42 AM)Praktica Wrote:(16-07-2025, 05:40 AM)heisenberg Wrote: do your own research, typical labour voter wants someone else to do all the work
Removing tax deductions from LLs put rents up for a starter
In other words, you're making shit up again.
have someone show you how to google
RE: Devious ACT move - harm_less - 16-07-2025
(16-07-2025, 02:42 PM)heisenberg Wrote:(16-07-2025, 11:42 AM)Praktica Wrote: In other words, you're making shit up again.
have someone show you how to google
Abuse and empty accusations yet again. You are the one putting up the accusations so it's your responsibility to put some substance behind them. Typical trolling behaviour; try googling 'sea lioning'.
RE: Devious ACT move - heisenberg - 16-07-2025
(16-07-2025, 07:14 PM)harm_less Wrote:(16-07-2025, 02:42 PM)heisenberg Wrote: have someone show you how to google
Abuse and empty accusations yet again. You are the one putting up the accusations so it's your responsibility to put some substance behind them. Typical trolling behaviour; try googling 'sea lioning'.
You prove me wrong
RE: Devious ACT move - king1 - 16-07-2025
(16-07-2025, 08:09 PM)heisenberg Wrote:(16-07-2025, 07:14 PM)harm_less Wrote: Abuse and empty accusations yet again. You are the one putting up the accusations so it's your responsibility to put some substance behind them. Typical trolling behaviour; try googling 'sea lioning'.
You prove me wrong
just to jog your memory ...
Quote:i feel the same way about jacinda ardern, narcissistic contemptible human being who is now living the high life, not worrying about all the children living in the poverdy she created for them
you were asked...
Quote:Tell us how she created poverty for kids....if you can.
No more of the do your own research, prove me wrong, trolling. You made the claim - back it up with facts...
RE: Devious ACT move - SueDonim - 17-07-2025
It's all very well requiring someone to provide evidence to back their opinion but...
1. when they do, you need to accept and discuss it, preferably by providing your own contrary evidence if you disagree, and
2. you need to require the same from both sides of the argument.
I have yet to be shown any acknowledgement or respect for the sometimes hours I spent looking up and learning about something so that I could be sure my opinion was based on correct information. Or when my first hand life experience results in a view that differs from people who don't appear to know about whatever they are standing forth on. I have given up.
I have yet to see anyone give any evidence of what is wrong with neoliberalism, how it can be said that all politicians are bastards, why all rich people are greedy, or any of the other sweeping generalisations that are so often made here and apparently accepted without question even when they are completely wrong.
RE: Devious ACT move - king1 - 17-07-2025
(Yesterday, 12:17 PM)SueDonim Wrote: It's all very well requiring someone to provide evidence to back their opinion but...
1. when they do, you need to accept and discuss it, preferably by providing your own contrary evidence if you disagree, and
2. you need to require the same from both sides of the argument.
I have yet to be shown any acknowledgement or respect for the sometimes hours I spent looking up and learning about something so that I could be sure my opinion was based on correct information. Or when my first hand life experience results in a view that differs from people who don't appear to know about whatever they are standing forth on. I have given up.
I have yet to see anyone give any evidence of what is wrong with neoliberalism, how it can be said that all politicians are bastards, why all rich people are greedy, or any of the other sweeping generalisations that are so often made here and apparently accepted without question even when they are completely wrong.
pretty much agree with much of that SueDonim - that was me trying to get the discussion back on track...
The only exception would be the bit about accepting provided evidence, that would be silly and has in no small way got the world into the state it is on many fronts...
I like the old saying
Quote:It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it
Sweeping generalisations are mostly able to be ignored (from both right and left) when they are of the variety you describe ie all politicians are bastards, why all rich people are greedy - mainly because most rational people will know that these statements can't actually be true, there is likely to be the odd nice politician and there are definitely some non-greedy rich people in the world.
But I do feel that where there are claims about specific named people, causing things that can't really be attributed solely to them (especially when it appears to be more of a targeted attack than an actual discussion) then there should be an onus on the claimant to provide some justification for said claims, beyond the usual do your own research hyperbole that comes out of certain factions.
Now they certainly don't need to provide that information if they can't or won't but in the interests of the discussion, it is expected.
RE: Devious ACT move - Oh_hunnihunni - 17-07-2025
I don't think rich people are greedy. I think they are both lucky and unlucky. But not necessarily greedy.
I do know they have more resources than the average voter. More access to excellent financial management. And that enables them to pay a lower rate of personal tax than the average voter.
That does two things, it reduces the tax available to the economy, and it makes the average voter inclined to think all rich people are greedy. So, it should be corrected, for everyone's sake.
As for research, well, I do it because I like basing my thinking on real stuff sometimes. Doesn't stop me believing in stuff I cannot prove though. Like the multiverse theory, and life after death.
And fairies.