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Full term abortion legal in NZ - C_T_Russell - 22-09-2025
This is disgusting, the murder of babies is now permitted in this country and whats worse is that the midwives have to deal with the aftermath of the mother giving birth to these stillborn babies after the mother has taken a drug to terminate the pregnancy, and to top it off in the example given here, the baby sometimes is still alive but the staff are legally not allowed to intervene and have to let the baby die on the table.
I found it hard to believe at first, but this is very real, all this legislation slipped through quietly during covid.
https://rcr.media/episodes/judy-martin-hendrie-born-alive-left-to-die-a-midwifes-shocking-testimony/
RE: Full term abortion legal in NZ - harm_less - 22-09-2025
According to some random website with a report from Rodney Hide... O-kay
RE: Full term abortion legal in NZ - king1 - 22-09-2025
(22-09-2025, 07:47 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: I found it hard to believe at first, but this is very real, all this legislation slipped through quietly during covid.
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the legislation for it was there in 1977 CT
Here it is
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1977/0112/latest/DLM18171.html
and the 2020 legislation
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2020/0006/latest/LMS237600.html
All looks the same to me...
RE: Full term abortion legal in NZ - Oh_hunnihunni - 22-09-2025
Oh for fucks sake...
Now I am offended.
RE: Full term abortion legal in NZ - Oh_hunnihunni - 23-09-2025
Okay. I have had time to think about this, so here goes.
CT, I have carried an unexpected pregnancy, discovered the fact late after years of medically diagnosed infertility, and carried that child to full term, so I know what that means. I have also had a surgical termination so I know what that means too. I think both experiences qualify me in ways no male will ever be able to match, to speak about female fertility and the way our communities deal with it.
No termination is without consequences, just as no pregnancy is without consequences, primarily for the woman doing the hard yards, but also for her wider circle, including the professional one. And, as it is her body, her psyche, and her life that is at risk, it is entirely her responsibility when it comes to choices and decisions. Anything else is simply unconscionable.
Where late term terminations occur there is always a reason, always consequences, and no uninvolved bystander has any conception or understanding of those, be they legislators, or religious/politically motivated do gooders. Walk a mile in her shoes, then shut the fuck up about it, because CT, there is no way you will ever understand or be expected to understand the cost, the price, of being female and fertile in a world where being female in this world means constant threat to your well being and life.
When male fertility is as legislated, as controlled, and as exploited as female, then maybe we will be a more mature species. Till then hands off things female...
RE: Full term abortion legal in NZ - king1 - 23-09-2025
do full term abortions actually happen in New Zealand?
That would actually seem to be unconscionable in my mind, but given the source material provided I'm rather suspicious of the claim. Surely it would be simpler for everyone and more ethical to go through with the birth and adopt out the baby.
RE: Full term abortion legal in NZ - Lilith7 - 23-09-2025
(22-09-2025, 09:24 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Oh for fucks sake...
Now I am offended.
The very same old anti female bollocks being peddled yet again.
What some ultra right wing conservatives love to label full term abortion is in fact a tragic event.
The really disgusting,disgraceful thing is that some of the idiots spreading this total bollocks know very well that what they claim as 'full term abortion' is in fact something unbelievably sad, a tragedy which will remain with those enduring it forever, yet they continue to maliciously spread this harmful bollocks.
RE: Full term abortion legal in NZ - harm_less - 23-09-2025
(Yesterday, 12:24 PM)king1 Wrote: do full term abortions actually happen in New Zealand?Back when my sister was training to be a nurse, in the late 70s, stories circulated about babies that had been born with severe deformities and anatomic shortcomings that saw them essentially abandoned by the mother to a life of isolation in institutional care for what for many was a very much foreshortened existence.
That would actually seem to be unconscionable in my mind, but given the source material provided I'm rather suspicious of the claim. Surely it would be simpler for everyone and more ethical to go through with the birth and adopt out the baby.
The reasoning behind withholding life preserving procedures post-partum in such cases would be better supported than for a baby born fit and healthy though pre-natal embryonic monitoring procedures are much improved these days so I would imagine far fewer situations of this type are likely now.
RE: Full term abortion legal in NZ - Oh_hunnihunni - 23-09-2025
(Yesterday, 12:24 PM)king1 Wrote: do full term abortions actually happen in New Zealand?
That would actually seem to be unconscionable in my mind, but given the source material provided I'm rather suspicious of the claim. Surely it would be simpler for everyone and more ethical to go through with the birth and adopt out the baby.
According to my theatre nurse friend, yes, late term interventions do take place but are extremely rare and under the kind of heart breaking circumstances that would bring anyone to tears. The law exists to cover those extreme circumstances, to protect those involved, but these do not take place anywhere near as often as those opposing the law might suggest.
Someone I knew had a pregnancy and neglected to get the kind of routine medical advice most women seek and rely on from the very early days. Tragically the baby was appallingly malformed and she had no option but to go through the pregnancy and a c section with no hope of a viable child. We forget that all pregnancies are risky, even with all the science we have, things go wrong, mothers and babies die or suffer awful outcomes. Our laws have to cover even those to protect those most involved.