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Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - Lilith7 - 02-10-2025
The protest flotilla has been intercepted by Israel. How dare anyone attempt to bring in food & medicine..
Never mind, no doubt our delightful govt will step up & do the right thing by demandind Israel release our people immediately....
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/02-10-2025/new-zealander-kidnapped-everything-we-know-about-the-global-sumud-flotilla-attempting-to-reach-gaza
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/574760/gaza-aid-flotilla-says-it-has-been-intercepted-by-military
RE: Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - heisenberg - 02-10-2025
(02-10-2025, 11:09 AM)Lilith7 Wrote: The protest flotilla has been intercepted by Israel. How dare anyone attempt to bring in food & medicine..
Never mind, no doubt our delightful govt will step up & do the right thing by demandind Israel release our people immediately....
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/02-10-2025/new-zealander-kidnapped-everything-we-know-about-the-global-sumud-flotilla-attempting-to-reach-gaza
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/574760/gaza-aid-flotilla-says-it-has-been-intercepted-by-military
good job hamas didn’t kidnap them eh
They would end up dead
Hopefully our delightful government leaves them where they are
RE: Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - harm_less - 02-10-2025
(02-10-2025, 12:20 PM)heisenberg Wrote:Since the flotilla is helping the same people that Hamas represent do you really think your comment makes any sense?(02-10-2025, 11:09 AM)Lilith7 Wrote: The protest flotilla has been intercepted by Israel. How dare anyone attempt to bring in food & medicine..
Never mind, no doubt our delightful govt will step up & do the right thing by demandind Israel release our people immediately....
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/02-10-2025/new-zealander-kidnapped-everything-we-know-about-the-global-sumud-flotilla-attempting-to-reach-gaza
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/574760/gaza-aid-flotilla-says-it-has-been-intercepted-by-military
good job hamas didn’t kidnap them eh
They would end up dead
Hopefully our delightful government leaves them where they are
Our government are too spineless to take any action that might upset anyone, as they keep demonstrating by deeds.
RE: Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - heisenberg - 02-10-2025
(02-10-2025, 01:11 PM)harm_less Wrote:(02-10-2025, 12:20 PM)heisenberg Wrote: good job hamas didn’t kidnap them ehSince the flotilla is helping the same people that Hamas represent do you really think your comment makes any sense?
They would end up dead
Hopefully our delightful government leaves them where they are
Our government are too spineless to take any action that might upset anyone, as they keep demonstrating by deeds.
so the flotilla is helping hamas.... so they are terrorists as well then, hopefully they get what they deserve
RE: Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - king1 - 02-10-2025
(02-10-2025, 03:21 PM)heisenberg Wrote:(02-10-2025, 01:11 PM)harm_less Wrote: Since the flotilla is helping the same people that Hamas represent do you really think your comment makes any sense?
Our government are too spineless to take any action that might upset anyone, as they keep demonstrating by deeds.
so the flotilla is helping hamas.... so they are terrorists as well then, hopefully they get what they deserve
classic case of 1 +1 = 5
RE: Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - harm_less - 02-10-2025
(02-10-2025, 03:21 PM)heisenberg Wrote:You really are ignorant of the way things have played out in Israeli aren't you? Do you live under a rock?(02-10-2025, 01:11 PM)harm_less Wrote: Since the flotilla is helping the same people that Hamas represent do you really think your comment makes any sense?
Our government are too spineless to take any action that might upset anyone, as they keep demonstrating by deeds.
so the flotilla is helping hamas.... so they are terrorists as well then, hopefully they get what they deserve
The Israeli Defence Forces and the regulations placed restricting movement and basic freedoms of Palestinians have long been begging a response from the disaffected population. Hamas has acted as a mouthpiece for that social abuse as was pretty predictable. Heavy handed on Hamas's part but then so was the harm being inflicted by Israel. After all if you keep poking a dog with a stick then sooner or later that dog will retaliate, and that action from Hamas was the bite. The Israelis are just fortunate that force hasn't been brought to bear by the bigger players in the Middle Eastern Islamic arena, yet. A couple of well placed missiles into Tel Aviv would wake up their ideas a bit.
Israel has refused to obey international law and the flotilla has done what they have to force a point in supplying food and aid to a population that is having genocide inflicted on it. To deny the right for them to do so is to demonstrate complicity to Israel's genocide. Our government has demonstrated they don't have the spine to call Israel out and good luck to the brave individuals in the flotilla who are attempting to do so.
RE: Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - Lilith7 - 02-10-2025
(02-10-2025, 03:21 PM)heisenberg Wrote:(02-10-2025, 01:11 PM)harm_less Wrote: Since the flotilla is helping the same people that Hamas represent do you really think your comment makes any sense?
Our government are too spineless to take any action that might upset anyone, as they keep demonstrating by deeds.
so the flotilla is helping hamas.... so they are terrorists as well then, hopefully they get what they deserve
I think that even you must be well aware that the flotilla is carrying food supplies & medical aid.
As far as I'm aware, the crews are made up of people from all over the world - none of whom are terrorists.
RE: Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - heisenberg - 03-10-2025
dogs that bite get put down
hamas has got exactly what it wanted when it killed 1200 people on october 7
RE: Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - Oh_hunnihunni - 03-10-2025
And Britain? Did it get what it wanted when it created Israel on stolen Palestinian land in 1948?
How many people has Israel slaughtered in defence of that created state?
How many hostages has Israel stashed in its prisons?
Why was Hamas created in 1967?
What have the Palestinian women and children done to deserve genocide?
Hard questions the flotilla is designed is ask, because the world has been ignoring them since 1948, and is just now waking up.
RE: Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - heisenberg - 03-10-2025
(03-10-2025, 05:30 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: And Britain? Did it get what it wanted when it created Israel on stolen Palestinian land in 1948?
How many people has Israel slaughtered in defence of that created state?
How many hostages has Israel stashed in its prisons?
Why was Hamas created in 1967?
What have the Palestinian women and children done to deserve genocide?
Hard questions the flotilla is designed is ask, because the world has been ignoring them since 1948, and is just now waking up.
1200 innocent people murdered set this in action, hamas set this in action, what they have got now is exactly what they wanted
israel has agreed to trumps deal to stop this has hamas?
the people on this "aid" flotilla were just usefull idiots and israel should’ve let them get through they can take their chances
RE: Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - harm_less - 03-10-2025
(03-10-2025, 07:04 AM)heisenberg Wrote:Israel bullied, abused, imprisoned and tortured so many Palestinians that Hamas acted on their behalf and exacted some summary justice. Not unexpected and to a large extent warranted. But if you're on Netanyahu and Trump's side of the fence of course you don't see it that way.(03-10-2025, 05:30 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: And Britain? Did it get what it wanted when it created Israel on stolen Palestinian land in 1948?
How many people has Israel slaughtered in defence of that created state?
How many hostages has Israel stashed in its prisons?
Why was Hamas created in 1967?
What have the Palestinian women and children done to deserve genocide?
Hard questions the flotilla is designed is ask, because the world has been ignoring them since 1948, and is just now waking up.
1200 innocent people murdered set this in action, hamas set this in action, what they have got now is exactly what they wanted
israel has agreed to trumps deal to stop this has hamas?
the people on this "aid" flotilla were just usefull idiots and israel should’ve let them get through they can take their chances
Israel are only making the whole situation worse both immediately and for lifetimes to come. Their genocidal actions will come back at them with a vengence and then they will again try to play their victim card. Fuckwits!
RE: Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - Lilith7 - 03-10-2025
(03-10-2025, 04:28 AM)heisenberg Wrote: dogs that bite get put down
hamas has got exactly what it wanted when it killed 1200 people on october 7
Really? So - you actually believe that Hamas wanted virtually the entire area of Gaza destroyed, children made orphans, thousands of Palestinians killed, children being quite deliberately starved to death, people being killed or crippled, you think that is what Hamas 'wanted?'
Perhaps you might do a bit of reading on the history of Gaza...
RE: Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - king1 - 03-10-2025
(03-10-2025, 11:02 AM)Lilith7 Wrote:I actually think the point is moot. Regardless of what Hamas wanted or not, the decisions of Israel and outcome for Palestinians are just plain wrong and abhorrent(03-10-2025, 04:28 AM)heisenberg Wrote: dogs that bite get put down
hamas has got exactly what it wanted when it killed 1200 people on october 7
Really? So - you actually believe that Hamas wanted virtually the entire area of Gaza destroyed, children made orphans, thousands of Palestinians killed, children being quite deliberately starved to death, people being killed or crippled, you think that is what Hamas 'wanted?'
Perhaps you might do a bit of reading on the history of Gaza...
RE: Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - Oh_hunnihunni - 03-10-2025
I agree. There is an acceptance in law that in most conflicts an unprovoked attack can be responded to with proportionate action, and directed at military targets, not civilian. Again and again Israel has broken international law on this point. And been enabled by the major powers in both doing so and countenancing the actions.
Israel has become a pariah state.
RE: Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - Lilith7 - 03-10-2025
I'd like to see both Hamas leaders & the Israeli govt arrested for war crimes, & let the peace groups made up of both Israelis & Palestinians work towards a peaceful two state solution & repair the damage - to be paid for by Israel.
RE: Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - Lilith7 - 03-10-2025
Passengers sprayed with water cannons by Israeli authorities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5lQgBlpIXA
RE: Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - Oh_hunnihunni - 04-10-2025
You know how some nations sent big ships to accompany the flotilla, and did a big grandstanding thing about their involvement? Turns out as soon as the flotilla got close to being threatened by Israel those big ships all turned back rather than get involved...
Not just Winston then.
RE: Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - harm_less - 04-10-2025
(04-10-2025, 08:30 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: You know how some nations sent big ships to accompany the flotilla, and did a big grandstanding thing about their involvement? Turns out as soon as the flotilla got close to being threatened by Israel those big ships all turned back rather than get involved...Just under the instructions of their owners, in both cases.
Not just Winston then.
RE: Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - Lilith7 - 04-10-2025
(04-10-2025, 08:35 AM)harm_less Wrote:(04-10-2025, 08:30 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: You know how some nations sent big ships to accompany the flotilla, and did a big grandstanding thing about their involvement? Turns out as soon as the flotilla got close to being threatened by Israel those big ships all turned back rather than get involved...Just under the instructions of their owners, in both cases.
Not just Winston then.
Absolutely - to their shame. Assuming they're capable of it.
RE: Two Kiwis kidnapped from protest ship by Israel - Lilith7 - 05-10-2025
Israel accused of detaining Greta Thunberg in an infested cell & has been given insufficient food & water, & making her hold flags. Those arrested haven't been given medication or immediate acess to legal representation.
And they have the gall to refer to the protesters as terrosits - clearly extremely odd 'terrorists' bringing food & medical supplies..
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/04/greta-thunberg-israel-gaza-sweden
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c701y9de2dro