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RE: TM Coin Club Thread - translateltd - 07-10-2023
(07-10-2023, 10:44 AM)Dean Wrote: what happened here?
https://noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=467245
VIP proof??
https://noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=467332
"VIP Proof" sounds weird for a Drainage Board medal. As for a 42mm, 18ct gold item going for A$720, that's something I can't fathom, unless (a) they've missed a zero off or (b) it's turned out to be plated despite our earlier information. Do you want to try asking them the question and see if you get a response?
This one, of course, *is* in the M&P catalogue, despite their claims to the contrary. It's under 1998, where it should be (established 1988, 10th anniversary = 1998) :
https://noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=467330&ret=1
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - Dean - 08-10-2023
there is a precedent!
https://auctions.mowbraycollectables.com/lots/view/1-6AZDK6/other-medals-nz-national-stamp-exhibition-3-whakatane-mp19672-gold-295g-
It is a little perplexing though. Is there something they know that we don't?
Could be a typo? The lot was originally unsold so this sale occurred post auction.
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - Dean - 08-10-2023
it would appear a couple of these have shown up on trademe?
https://noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=470310
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/antiques-collectables/coins/new-zealand-pre-decimal/other/listing/4361099315?bof=uqlCcfTP
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/antiques-collectables/coins/new-zealand-pre-decimal/other/listing/4361093519?bof=uqlCcfTP
they look nice too!
(odd to pay that much and then immediately auction them off?)
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - translateltd - 08-10-2023
(08-10-2023, 05:00 PM)Dean Wrote: it would appear a couple of these have shown up on trademe?
https://noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=470310
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/antiques-collectables/coins/new-zealand-pre-decimal/other/listing/4361099315?bof=uqlCcfTP
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/antiques-collectables/coins/new-zealand-pre-decimal/other/listing/4361093519?bof=uqlCcfTP
they look nice too!
(odd to pay that much and then immediately auction them off?)
The dollar starts are evidence of great bravery! I see Jim Johnson has a couple of the 1944 NZEF sports medals (MP1944/1) listed too - they must have come from the recent auction, though he's starting with less risky reserves.
(08-10-2023, 03:13 PM)Dean Wrote: there is a precedent!
https://auctions.mowbraycollectables.com/lots/view/1-6AZDK6/other-medals-nz-national-stamp-exhibition-3-whakatane-mp19672-gold-295g-
It is a little perplexing though. Is there something they know that we don't?
Could be a typo? The lot was originally unsold so this sale occurred post auction.
It certainly sounds like they believe them to be plated rather than solid. I'm unaware of any details other than what Hamish originally found for these, though a "gold" medal of the Auckland Coin Club (1967/1) sold in 2016 turned out to be gold-plated copper, but that had a different issuer and maker so I don't think there'd be any connection in that instance.
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - Dean - 10-10-2023
I reckon you are fairly safe selling gold medals on trademe, especially if you paid barely bullion value for it in the first place. There seem to be many clued up gold buyers so chances of a getting a bargain are not that good!
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - Dean - 12-10-2023
those gold medals are already up to about $900 so I don't think anyone is going to get a bargain (as I suspected trademe buyers know about gold)!
there seems to be some conjecture as to whether they are 15ct or 18ct (noble reckoned 18ct).
if 15ct I reckon gold value is about $1100 (18ct about $1300)?
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - Dean - 12-10-2023
Jim asking for basically what he paid for this in the first place.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/antiques-collectables/new-zealand-maori/listing/4360602082
Don't like to see any price gauging so I approve of this. Mind you still a bit above my price range!
I wonder who got this?
https://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=467059
hopefully it is back home in NZ.
I don't fully understand this
lovely example goes for way below estimate
https://live.noble.com.au/lots/view/4-AVB6IK/commemorative-historical-medals-1865-1905
not nearly as nice example goes for about the estimate
https://live.noble.com.au/lots/view/4-AVB6IM/commemorative-historical-medals-1865-1905
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - translateltd - 12-10-2023
"Jim asking for basically what he paid for this in the first place.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/...4360602082 "
Another case of not looking at the latest edition - this *is* in the 2022 edition of the 1920s chapter of Morel, as 1925-26/8.1. It's even the all-singing, all-dancing full colour photo on the back cover! The descriptions of 1925-26/7 and /8 in the 1996 book were virtually indistinguishable, so in the absence of other info we assigned the 41 mm medals to /7 and the 51 mm ones (in three different metals) to /8.
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - Dean - 13-10-2023
yes the exact same example is actually illustrated in Morel. To try to be fair it is quite a recent update (2022?) and I expect a lot of cataloging for the auction was done before then, but still should probably at least check for possible updates.
I don't think the gilt versions sold at the auction so anyone who wants an example of the medal could grab that at a lesser price than the gold one.
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - translateltd - 13-10-2023
(13-10-2023, 07:28 AM)Dean Wrote: yes the exact same example is actually illustrated in Morel. To try to be fair it is quite a recent update (2022?) and I expect a lot of cataloging for the auction was done before then, but still should probably at least check for possible updates.
I don't think the gilt versions sold at the auction so anyone who wants an example of the medal could grab that at a lesser price than the gold one.
I only just noticed the "9ct" stamp on this one for the first time yesterday!
I have no idea what Leon's original 1925-26/7 was, since it isn't illustrated - assume that was meant to be the 41 mm one and that "41 mm" for /8 was just a typo.
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - Dean - 13-10-2023
Curious. If I were to have a guess and based on the lack of photo for 1925-26/7 I'd say 1925-26/7 and 1925-26/8 are duplicate entries (both including the 41mm error/typo).
Perhaps initially Morel had thought there existed a 41mm medal and when the 51mm come along it created some confusion?
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - translateltd - 14-10-2023
Same. We kept 1925-26/7 in place as the putative 41 mm example just in case (should perhaps have flagged it "reported, not confirmed" - must make a note to do that for next time), and reassigned 1925-26/8 to the 51 mm versions.
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - Dean - 14-10-2023
what an absolutely magnificent medal at a bargain price!
(I missed it first time round otherwise might have put in a bid!)
https://noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=470368
(14-10-2023, 06:14 AM)translateltd Wrote: Same. We kept 1925-26/7 in place as the putative 41 mm example just in case (should perhaps have flagged it "reported, not confirmed" - must make a note to do that for next time), and reassigned 1925-26/8 to the 51 mm versions.
NZ commemorative medals, 1865-present, 1 volume hardback edition?
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - translateltd - 15-10-2023
"NZ commemorative medals, 1865-present, 1 volume hardback edition?"
1772-present as currently planned. A hardback, single-volume edition would be nice but I don't see many buyers on the horizon at this stage. The couple of hundred copies of the 2014 post-1941 catalogue haven't even all sold yet. We'll keep drip-feeding out the individual chapters as ready (and periodic updates as new information and time permit), but it's going to take a while to complete it all.
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - Dean - 15-10-2023
you need to make it something special. As you say 1772 to present, but could also include select other medals, such as agricultural medals for example. Beautiful colour photos. As much of a story as possible for each medal. Details of design process. For example people will be fascinated to know story behind the magnificent Hutt district agricultural horticultural and pastoral society medal. Who designed it? What was the thinking that led to the design etc. It needs to be a complete reference for the vast majority of NZ medals, with the possible exclusion of some of the 1940 rubbish centennial medals.
perhaps a rich person such as the bloke who bought the NZ-Canadian mule could help with the finance?
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - translateltd - 16-10-2023
(13-10-2023, 09:21 AM)Dean Wrote: Curious. If I were to have a guess and based on the lack of photo for 1925-26/7 I'd say 1925-26/7 and 1925-26/8 are duplicate entries (both including the 41mm error/typo).
Perhaps initially Morel had thought there existed a 41mm medal and when the 51mm come along it created some confusion?
(15-10-2023, 08:38 PM)Dean Wrote: you need to make it something special. As you say 1772 to present, but could also include select other medals, such as agricultural medals for example. Beautiful colour photos. As much of a story as possible for each medal. Details of design process. For example people will be fascinated to know story behind the magnificent Hutt district agricultural horticultural and pastoral society medal. Who designed it? What was the thinking that led to the design etc. It needs to be a complete reference for the vast majority of NZ medals, with the possible exclusion of some of the 1940 rubbish centennial medals.
perhaps a rich person such as the bloke who bought the NZ-Canadian mule could help with the finance?
Not enough lifetimes to do that, unfortunately. Bill Lampard always had the Agricultural medals in mind for a separate catalogue but he never got around to it. They're a different field entirely, though Leon seemed to include a few if he perceived a crossover to a commemorative function. For the time I have, and presumably the time I have left, I'm filling in the gaps in the existing publications and someone else can take it over after that. I'll need the better part of a decade to finish what I'm doing, and would like to have a bit of a life after that if at all possible - unless someone's offering some serious funding so I can jack in the day job and still fund a retirement afterwards :-)
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - translateltd - 16-10-2023
... although having said that, if you want a project for *your* next ten years, the Ag medals are still looking for someone to take on the task, in all seriousness.
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - alpha111 - 16-10-2023
Very well stated! It costs those who do voluntary work both time and money but there are benefits in self development and helping others. As an aside I once had an early Canterbury agricultural silver medal by accident ~ I scratched my right ear at a public coin auction in Christchurch. Then I didn't have the money for the item I wanted.
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - alpha111 - 16-10-2023
To change the topic there is Listing #4364163766 with an amazing age range of "200BC-50AD Ancient Roman Coin *Very Scarce.
*Noted exact same coin is on eBay for sale $500USD ($832NZD). There being only one listing." (It's on $50 at the moment).
I don't understand how the obverse legend 'L VERVS AVG ARM – PARTH MAX IR P VIII' fits into this time range as this Emperor wasn't born until 80 years after 50 AD.
Possibly a fake Parduan (a fake of a fantasy?) but then I'm not a numismatic expert.
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - translateltd - 16-10-2023
(13-10-2023, 09:21 AM)Dean Wrote: Curious. If I were to have a guess and based on the lack of photo for 1925-26/7 I'd say 1925-26/7 and 1925-26/8 are duplicate entries (both including the 41mm error/typo).
Perhaps initially Morel had thought there existed a 41mm medal and when the 51mm come along it created some confusion?
(16-10-2023, 02:58 PM)alpha111 Wrote: To change the topic there is Listing #4364163766 with an amazing age range of "200BC-50AD Ancient Roman Coin *Very Scarce.
*Noted exact same coin is on eBay for sale $500USD ($832NZD). There being only one listing." (It's on $50 at the moment).
I don't understand how the obverse legend 'L VERVS AVG ARM – PARTH MAX IR P VIII' fits into this time range as this Emperor wasn't born until 80 years after 50 AD.
Possibly a fake Parduan (a fake of a fantasy?) but then I'm not a numismatic expert.
This looks pretty close to it:
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/C_B-12966