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RE: TM Coin Club Thread - Dean - 17-10-2023
those Canterbury Ag medals in gold appear to have gone for barely bullion value. I guess the numismatic value added little.
(16-10-2023, 06:37 AM)translateltd Wrote: ... although having said that, if you want a project for *your* next ten years, the Ag medals are still looking for someone to take on the task, in all seriousness.
what work if any had been done on Ag medals. Is there even a basic list?
no books/publications?
perhaps an occasional mention in numismatic magazine?
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - alpha111 - 22-10-2023
TM Listing #4374179574 Aventine: 2022 Charles III 50 Pence Current bid $25.00 noon 22/10/23.
On his own website 2022 Charles III 50 Pence $10.00 NZD. Go figure!
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - Dean - 23-10-2023
numpties bidding on a coin featuring portrait of another numpty!
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - enserf - 23-10-2023
(22-10-2023, 10:54 AM)alpha111 Wrote: TM Listing #4374179574 Aventine: 2022 Charles III 50 Pence Current bid $25.00 noon 22/10/23.
On his own website 2022 Charles III 50 Pence $10.00 NZD. Go figure!
Yes I have seen them go for stupidly high prices on TM. I got my copy in a commemorative set from Royal Mint last QEII/first KCIII coinage. Cost a lot more than $25 for the set though!
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - translateltd - 25-10-2023
(13-10-2023, 09:21 AM)Dean Wrote: Curious. If I were to have a guess and based on the lack of photo for 1925-26/7 I'd say 1925-26/7 and 1925-26/8 are duplicate entries (both including the 41mm error/typo).
Perhaps initially Morel had thought there existed a 41mm medal and when the 51mm come along it created some confusion?
(17-10-2023, 06:51 AM)Dean Wrote: those Canterbury Ag medals in gold appear to have gone for barely bullion value. I guess the numismatic value added little.
(16-10-2023, 06:37 AM)translateltd Wrote: ... although having said that, if you want a project for *your* next ten years, the Ag medals are still looking for someone to take on the task, in all seriousness.
what work if any had been done on Ag medals. Is there even a basic list?
no books/publications?
perhaps an occasional mention in numismatic magazine?
No lists or dedicated publications that I know of. You'd need to comb auction catalogues and the occasional NZNJ article for starters, and ask a few dealers nicely for details of anything they might have in stock, canvass other medal collectors, etc. Basically how Hamish kicked off the first edition of the post-1940 commemorative medals book.
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - alpha111 - 25-10-2023
Moybray's Liam Jennings on Radio NZ just before 4pm today talking about NZ Herald article of 21 October 2023 "Buyer beware: Lipscombe Auction House selling fake rare coins can’t be stopped". The auction house won in the Disputes Tribunal. The article is a good read and a good reminder to be vigilant at all times.
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - translateltd - 25-10-2023
(13-10-2023, 09:21 AM)Dean Wrote: Curious. If I were to have a guess and based on the lack of photo for 1925-26/7 I'd say 1925-26/7 and 1925-26/8 are duplicate entries (both including the 41mm error/typo).
Perhaps initially Morel had thought there existed a 41mm medal and when the 51mm come along it created some confusion?
(25-10-2023, 03:09 PM)alpha111 Wrote: Moybray's Liam Jennings on Radio NZ just before 4pm today talking about NZ Herald article of 21 October 2023 "Buyer beware: Lipscombe Auction House selling fake rare coins can’t be stopped". The auction house won in the Disputes Tribunal. The article is a good read and a good reminder to be vigilant at all times.
The Herald story made it into Wayne Homren's weekly international numismatic news roundup on Monday - so Lipscombe's name is getting nicely tarnished globally as we speak. But yes, bidders should make the effort to know what they're bidding on, regardless of errors in the description (innocent or otherwise ...)
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - alpha111 - 28-10-2023
Listing # 4393781058 1929 24ct Gold George V sovereign is an example of "errors in the description".
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - translateltd - 29-10-2023
(13-10-2023, 09:21 AM)Dean Wrote: Curious. If I were to have a guess and based on the lack of photo for 1925-26/7 I'd say 1925-26/7 and 1925-26/8 are duplicate entries (both including the 41mm error/typo).
Perhaps initially Morel had thought there existed a 41mm medal and when the 51mm come along it created some confusion?
(28-10-2023, 04:53 PM)alpha111 Wrote: Listing # 4393781058 1929 24ct Gold George V sovereign is an example of "errors in the description".
It's offset so far against the ruler it's hard to tell if it's 20 mm or 22 mm without taking too much time messing about with the photo - if the former then it's definitely dodgy, composition aside.
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - translateltd - 31-10-2023
(13-10-2023, 09:21 AM)Dean Wrote: Curious. If I were to have a guess and based on the lack of photo for 1925-26/7 I'd say 1925-26/7 and 1925-26/8 are duplicate entries (both including the 41mm error/typo).
Perhaps initially Morel had thought there existed a 41mm medal and when the 51mm come along it created some confusion?
The NNP Numismatic Symposium schedule is out - note that all the stated times are Eastern (New York) time, so will be during the night here. Recordings will be made available later, however - keep checking this link for details:
https://nnpsymposium.org/schedule?mc_cid=afe0911e9f
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - alpha111 - 08-11-2023
Listing #4405434133 An Aventine special featuring Conrad III. King of Italy and Germany. 1139-1339 AD.
That 200 years makes Elizabeth IIs reign look so brief that one wonders what all the fuss was about.
However I note that two of us that post on here acquired 1953 10 coin boxed sets of Elizabeth II from the same Christchurch seller over one week. Interesting that the Specimen and Proof sets have the coins arranged differently in the cases and one doesn't have the logo on the inside.
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - Dean - 08-11-2023
yes I have noticed that. I would assume they are the same, but in different presentation cases. I think back then they used the term 'specimen' to describe what we now refer to as a proof.
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - Dean - 08-11-2023
as a guess I'd say one was issued before the coronation ceremony had actually occurred, and the other after it had.
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - translateltd - 10-11-2023
(13-10-2023, 09:21 AM)Dean Wrote: Curious. If I were to have a guess and based on the lack of photo for 1925-26/7 I'd say 1925-26/7 and 1925-26/8 are duplicate entries (both including the 41mm error/typo).
Perhaps initially Morel had thought there existed a 41mm medal and when the 51mm come along it created some confusion?
(08-11-2023, 06:57 PM)alpha111 Wrote: Listing #4405434133 An Aventine special featuring Conrad III. King of Italy and Germany. 1139-1339 AD.
That 200 years makes Elizabeth IIs reign look so brief that one wonders what all the fuss was about.
However I note that two of us that post on here acquired 1953 10 coin boxed sets of Elizabeth II from the same Christchurch seller over one week. Interesting that the Specimen and Proof sets have the coins arranged differently in the cases and one doesn't have the logo on the inside.
I had that date range for a Conrad coin 40 or so years ago - that does appear to be the span during which they were produced, though telescoping the info in that way is a little misleading. "Maria Theresia 1780 to the present day", anyone?
(13-10-2023, 09:21 AM)Dean Wrote: Curious. If I were to have a guess and based on the lack of photo for 1925-26/7 I'd say 1925-26/7 and 1925-26/8 are duplicate entries (both including the 41mm error/typo).
Perhaps initially Morel had thought there existed a 41mm medal and when the 51mm come along it created some confusion?
The 1900s (1900-09) chapter of the Morel medal catalogue update is out now and available for free downloading from www.RNSNZ.org.nz/collector-info/catalogues and also from my archive.org page at https://archive.org/details/@james_tigernuts . Note that this file is quite large at 25 MB (176 pages).
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - alpha111 - 10-11-2023
I think a large thank you is appropriate ~ well done.
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - Dean - 10-11-2023
Indeed an impressive bit of work. Pity the vast majority of those medals are pretty ordinary from a numismatic point of view, to be honest. I'd certainly not be in a hurry to add any to my collection (with maybe exception of 1908/4.1 which does look quite nice.)
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - Dean - 10-11-2023
(08-11-2023, 08:09 PM)Dean Wrote: yes I have noticed that. I would assume they are the same, but in different presentation cases. I think back then they used the term 'specimen' to describe what we now refer to as a proof.actually I take that all back. The 'specimens' are not what we would call proofs these days. Beginning to think I might have paid tooo much for them although they seem to go for a bit on ebay so who knows? It's a bit of a mystery just what they are as I can't seem to find any reference to them in any of the literature I have.
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - Dean - 10-11-2023
"struck from unofficial copy dies"
https://noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=473461
so is it a genuine example then or is it regarded as a copy or fake?
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - translateltd - 11-11-2023
(13-10-2023, 09:21 AM)Dean Wrote: Curious. If I were to have a guess and based on the lack of photo for 1925-26/7 I'd say 1925-26/7 and 1925-26/8 are duplicate entries (both including the 41mm error/typo).
Perhaps initially Morel had thought there existed a 41mm medal and when the 51mm come along it created some confusion?
(10-11-2023, 02:15 PM)Dean Wrote: "struck from unofficial copy dies"
https://noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=473461
so is it a genuine example then or is it regarded as a copy or fake?
That's a strange description if I ever heard one - what on earth are "unofficial copy dies" if not forger's tools?
RE: TM Coin Club Thread - Dean - 19-11-2023
yes it is not an expression I have come across before in the numismatic literature.