Trademe sales of laptops/PCs

[king1]

Lots of them listed with Windows 11 that don't officially support it.  Some note that its not officially supported but a lot of them don't.

I suppose its no different than selling a laptop with poor specs that you know is going to be a dog...

[nzoomed]

If it's decent enough specs, win11 should run OK i would expect.
I've seen it running on an Intel core2 of all things, certainly wouldn't recommend that.
AFAIK, its only the TPM chip that is the only thing windows 11 has a real issue with, despite the list of officially supported CPUs, it appears to run OK on older CPUs with less hardware security features.
I've never really explored if it's actually possible to perform a free upgrade to 11 or not in these cases, i would expect it's only possible to install using the hack with a fresh install?

[king1]

i've done an upgrade on one of my older pcs using this script awhile back
https://github.com/AveYo/MediaCreationTool.bat

Not sure if its still working since there seems to be some comments online that MS have blocked recent bypasses. Might be due to try it again

I guess the question i'm asking really, is it right to be selling these old Laptops on trademe and elsewhere with unofficial upgrades to 11. Not sure I'd feel comfortable doing this for my clients, i'd rather sell them a new laptop under the circumstances.

[nzoomed]

i've done an upgrade on one of my older pcs using this script awhile back
https://github.com/AveYo/MediaCreationTool.bat

Not sure if its still working since there seems to be some comments online that MS have blocked recent bypasses. Might be due to try it again

I guess the question i'm asking really, is it right to be selling these old Laptops on trademe and elsewhere with unofficial upgrades to 11.  Not sure I'd feel comfortable doing this for my clients, i'd rather sell them a new laptop under the circumstances.

I should give that a go, I am getting a few requests about upgrading.
Its now getting to the point where im getting calls almost on a daily basis about windows 11 surrounding the media attention.
Ive just told them to hold off for now, as windows 10 will be just fine for the time being and that its largely scaremongering.
My main concern is seeing many decent computers getting thrown out just because they are one generation out of the official support for 11.

I dont have too many issues with people selling these older computers, providing they make it clear in a disclaimer it comes with no warranty and not supported.
Im still unsure if i will offer upgrades to 11 on such computers, but I hate to see perfectly good machines scrapped for no real reason.
Im still running win10 on my i7 4790K, its not supported, but there is no reason why I should replace a fully working gaming machine, even if it is 8 years old, it still performs well.

[king1]

yeah totally agree, my main everything server runs on a i7 4790k as well, 32GB RAM in it because there is a bit of stuff running on it, couple of VMs, media server etc

At this stage i'm just offering new PCs to my clients, I explain that there are unofficial and unsupported ways of upgrading to 11 but probably not advisable for that reason alone, let alone the old hardware, being slow etc. Most agree, but there are the odd one with say a 7700k and maybe not loads of money and you just kind feel bad for them. But ultimately if i do the upgrade it will be on me if shit goes wrong down the track...

Mainly going down this thought process because i'm starting to accumulate a few old laptops (given for the purpose of recycling) and if I flog them off as win 10 I know I'll get next to nothing for them, and whoever buys it will probably be the person who will upgrade to windows 11 and sell it online for a lot more...

Its an ethical dilemma for me...

[king1]

check out this stunning piece of hardware with Windows 11.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/...f=BEUSn3sj

[nzoomed]

yeah totally agree, my main everything server runs on a i7 4790k as well, 32GB RAM in it because there is a bit of stuff running on it, couple of VMs, media server etc

At this stage i'm just offering new PCs to my clients,  I explain that there are unofficial and unsupported ways of upgrading to 11 but probably not advisable for that reason alone, let alone the old hardware, being slow etc. Most agree, but there are the odd one with say a 7700k  and maybe not loads of money and you just kind feel bad for them.  But ultimately if i do the upgrade it will be on me if shit goes wrong down the track...

Mainly going down this thought process because i'm starting to accumulate a few old laptops (given for the purpose of recycling) and if I flog them off as win 10 I know I'll get next to nothing for them, and whoever buys it will probably be the person who will upgrade to windows 11 and sell it online for a lot more... 

Its an ethical dilemma for me...

Yeah, its going to become more of a problem going into next year, I can see lots of computers being dumped running win 10.
I wonder if we will see Microsoft backtrack on the upgrade requirements and perhaps introduce a more basic edition that will be supported on older hardware?
From others experiences, im hearing that generally anything from a 7th gen intel onwards has no known issues with win11, but this is all second hand information.

Im trying to avoid having to provide support for as many microsoft products as possible, with the exception of windows and reluctantly MS office/365 so thats understandable with the concerns with providing an unofficial upgrade.
Its bad enough for me when i have users using the crappy windows 10 mail client that recently got replaced with the "new" outlook.
Users are not quick to adapt to change, in this situation I installed thunderbird which they were unhappy with, and demanded I get their old windows mail going.
I did a downgrade to the old email app for the time being and said I cant provide any guarantee with it and suggested they learn to get used to thunderbird.
It was essentially broken at this point and no easy way to migrate data out of it, the user was using a kinect email account with mercury which would not send out through the new outlook.
I am also seeing these email accounts have the same issue on the apple mail app.
I also recommended they start using gmail, and they dont want to do that despite already having a gmail account, the best thing that i want to happen is for mercury to cut off this service, then i dont have the hassle of it going forward.

Something else im doing is installing linux on the users old computer and letting them play around with it so they get the feel of it and demonstrate that there is a way out of all this.
For most basic users who dont care about games and only want to watch youtube and use email, etc, they will be just fine.

check out this stunning piece of hardware with Windows 11.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/...f=BEUSn3sj

That thing looks a total piece of junk!

[CorylusMaxima]

Something else im doing is installing linux on the users old computer and letting them play around with it so they get the feel of it and demonstrate that there is a way out of all this.
For most basic users who dont care about games and only want to watch youtube and use email, etc, they will be just fine.

I'd be interested in trying Linux but it would have to be a DIY installation.
Where do you suggest I go to download it?

[nzoomed]

Something else im doing is installing linux on the users old computer and letting them play around with it so they get the feel of it and demonstrate that there is a way out of all this.
For most basic users who dont care about games and only want to watch youtube and use email, etc, they will be just fine.

I'd be interested in trying Linux but it would have to be a DIY installation.
Where do you suggest I go to download it?

download a kbuntu image from here https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
and use rufus to write the image to a USB stick, you can boot it off the USB and try it out before you even install it.

[CorylusMaxima]

I'd be interested in trying Linux but it would have to be a DIY installation.
Where do you suggest I go to download it?

download a kbuntu image from here https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
and use rufus to write the image to a USB stick, you can boot it off the USB and try it out before you even install it.

Thanks for that - much appreciated.