(25-09-2025, 09:09 AM)Wainuitech Wrote: Watched a VERY TRUE video yesterday, The person talking hits the nail on the head with all operating systems. High percentage of the time its the user that's the problem. PBKAC
Even got a newsletter from ESET the other day, in it was a statement, cant remember the exact wording but it went something like, Doesn't matter how secure / effective Software protection is no one can stop human stupidity.
lol I did a job awhile back for a client where the office lady received an email with a supply order, Eset flagged it, she disabled Eset then opened the email and followed the instructions - ransomware infected the network
(23-09-2025, 10:33 AM)king1 Wrote: looks interesting, that one really does come down to trust that the organisation isn't going to screw you over... Giving permission for any app to modify system files in realtime in memory seems err risky
Theres also another thing, 0Patch is not free, its 24.95 EUR + Tax which roughly converts to $50 NZ - So if you have to pay, you may as well just pay the MS one, for a few $$ more.
AND the "Free version" Is not worth the free price. ( See Screen shot)
Yeah, I was looking at that. That's what puts me off it TBH.
Im more interested in open source alternatives.
Been a while since I've used autopatcher, but that’s something I used extensively back in the day, not too sure where it stands with Windows 10 updates.
(25-09-2025, 09:17 AM)king1 Wrote:
(25-09-2025, 09:09 AM)Wainuitech Wrote: Watched a VERY TRUE video yesterday, The person talking hits the nail on the head with all operating systems. High percentage of the time its the user that's the problem. PBKAC
Even got a newsletter from ESET the other day, in it was a statement, cant remember the exact wording but it went something like, Doesn't matter how secure / effective Software protection is no one can stop human stupidity.
lol I did a job awhile back for a client where the office lady received an email with a supply order, Eset flagged it, she disabled Eset then opened the email and followed the instructions - ransomware infected the network
You can't protect people from stupid.
Ive seen similar things, some years ago a staff member opened an email containing a supposed invoice from NZpost to collect a parcel, the staff member did the same thing and the ransomware encrypted everything across the network.
Thankfully I was able to find a decryption tool from the Russian antivirus company DrWeb which I find suspicious in itself.
(15-09-2025, 01:42 PM)Praktica Wrote: Will linux run the program for my Canon film scanner? My photo manipulation program? The software for my digital cameras?
Would it be worth a try to run them in linux using a correctly configured WINE?
You can Get the security updates free of charge. Done it several times now, simply make up a Microsoft account ( email) sign into One drive, many don't use it anyway, once it connects go into the settings and disable what ever you want to not back up. Had to do this several times for customers who thought they had to pay for it. You can also get the 1000 points from Microsoft. Theres lots of videos about it, just had a play, got over 500 in a couple of days by basically just using Bing and clicked on a couple of "get rewards" which is basically search results.
11-10-2025, 11:02 AM (This post was last modified: 11-10-2025, 11:06 AM by king1.)
it's no different to what apple do and google have always done with android...
my goto bypass is
start ms-cxh:localonly
My only gripe with them forcing the online account (and hence why I still use a bypass) is that it sets up Onedrive automatically and starts uploading all users files, and creates a bit of a mess when they don't have 365 sub... If it wasn't for that I'd be happy to use an online account every time...
11-10-2025, 01:22 PM (This post was last modified: 11-10-2025, 01:23 PM by Wainuitech.)
(11-10-2025, 10:11 AM)Agent_24 Wrote: Good luck for those sticking with Windows, Microsoft are working hard on preventing users from having only local accounts in Windows 11: https://thinkcomputers.org/microsoft-enf...-bypasses/
Linux doesn't force you to do anything of the sort.
The current start ms-cxh:localonly Still works even on the latest 25H2. Just did it yesterday. Simply don't connect to the internet and it will ask you to connect at that point you enter the command as before and it creates a local account. Your choice if you want a password or not.
As for Linux not forcing a sign in - REALLY ??? - every single time I installed Linux you HAVE to create an account and enter a password. Some you can tell it to auto log in some not.
One thing is "interesting" Lots of places ( Forums, FB- Linux Groups) are NOW getting a LOT more errors showing up from new users running into all sorts of install troubles and many other problems -- The Standard response to anyone asking for help is install ( insert different distro) -- Thats NOT help !!
Any newbe's asking what to install and you'll get nothing but conflicting answers. Actually saw one post -- Guy said "Screw you Ba***ds - cant get a real actual helpful answer.
11-10-2025, 01:28 PM (This post was last modified: 11-10-2025, 01:31 PM by Agent_24.)
(11-10-2025, 01:22 PM)Wainuitech Wrote:
(11-10-2025, 10:11 AM)Agent_24 Wrote: Good luck for those sticking with Windows, Microsoft are working hard on preventing users from having only local accounts in Windows 11: https://thinkcomputers.org/microsoft-enf...-bypasses/
Linux doesn't force you to do anything of the sort.
As for Linux not forcing a sign in - REALLY ??? - every single time I installed Linux you HAVE to create an account and enter a password. Some you can tell it to auto log in some not.
I don't think you read what I said properly, I meant Linux does not force you to make some kind of online account, given the article was about forced online signups, and I said Linux doesn't force you to do anything of the sort...
(11-10-2025, 01:22 PM)Wainuitech Wrote: One thing is "interesting" Lots of places ( Forums, FB- Linux Groups) are NOW getting a LOT more errors showing up from new users running into all sorts of install troubles and many other problems -- The Standard response to anyone asking for help is install ( insert different distro) -- Thats NOT help !!
I think a source of this problem is the same thing - more new users are coming on board, but don't have the technical understanding to troubleshoot the system, so they just use a different distro, and often, it does solve their problem, and then they suggest this to everyone else.
11-10-2025, 02:26 PM (This post was last modified: 11-10-2025, 02:32 PM by Wainuitech.)
(11-10-2025, 01:28 PM)Agent_24 Wrote:
(11-10-2025, 01:22 PM)Wainuitech Wrote: As for Linux not forcing a sign in - REALLY ??? - every single time I installed Linux you HAVE to create an account and enter a password. Some you can tell it to auto log in some not.
I don't think you read what I said properly, I meant Linux does not force you to make some kind of online account, given the article was about forced online signups, and I said Linux doesn't force you to do anything of the sort...
(11-10-2025, 01:22 PM)Wainuitech Wrote: One thing is "interesting" Lots of places ( Forums, FB- Linux Groups) are NOW getting a LOT more errors showing up from new users running into all sorts of install troubles and many other problems -- The Standard response to anyone asking for help is install ( insert different distro) -- Thats NOT help !!
I think a source of this problem is the same thing - more new users are coming on board, but don't have the technical understanding to troubleshoot the system, so they just use a different distro, and often, it does solve their problem, and then they suggest this to everyone else.
Just as well Linux is not a car, one small problem, no help or stupid responses, so get a new car. Saw a video a while back, regarding Linux change overs. Hits the nail on the head. https://youtu.be/S5qDCIn9yYQ?t=1120
Point in FACT on the old PF1 - all the people pushing Linux suddenly shut up and disappear when someone asks for help with whatever problem.
As for the other -- signing in, you dont HAVE to have a MS account to sign in. Thats the same sort of thing as Linux, generally when you shut down it by default ( every Distro I tried anyway) counts down from 30 seconds. BUT if you know how you change settings and it shuts down right away.
For Servers and such (ZimaOS) its fine, but still not really for non technical users. The Ubuntu Servers I have and ZimaOS run flawless.
(11-10-2025, 02:26 PM)Wainuitech Wrote: Just as well Linux is not a car, one small problem, no help, so get a new car. Saw a video a while back, regarding Linux change overs. Hits the nail on the head. https://youtu.be/S5qDCIn9yYQ?t=1120
I never said that changing distros over a small issue was a sensible solution, but for some, it does work, hence why it gets recommended, unfortunately - although if you are totally new to Linux, trying several various ones IS a good idea because you will learn more about what features you like, etc.
Yes if someone has a problem with their favourite distro, and can't get help, that would be rather frustrating, but sometimes it requires some effort to figure out a problem, just as it does on Windows.
I spent many hours over the course of my existence as a Windows user, scouring the internet for answers to obscure bugs and weird problems. The idea that every problem on Windows has an easy solution, is not at all true, I had to put in a decent amount of work and doing research plenty of times.
And just as you can often find information on common issue with Windows, you can do so for Linux as well.
There are plenty of guides and forum posts and blogs that describe Linux issues and how to fix them, or how to do things that the new user may not yet know.
But the obscure problems are the ones you will have to get your hands dirty, no matter which OS you use.
(11-10-2025, 02:26 PM)Wainuitech Wrote: As for the other -- signing in, you dont HAVE to have a MS account to sign in. Thats the same sort of thing as Linux, generally when you shut down it by default ( every Distro I tried anyway) counts down from 30 seconds. BUT if you know how you change settings and it shuts down right away.
I don't know which ones you're trying, but I have not experienced that feature enabled by default in anything I've used for many years.
I've used windows (various versions) for the last 40 years...and since I see a computer as a tool, rather than an end in itself, I have had few problems with it.
I have had fairly consistent results with Windows too, up until recently.
Now I have consistently good results with Linux.
I guess it depends how much you are willing to tolerate the later versions of Windows being spyware, and Microsoft forcing features on you that you do not want.
11-10-2025, 03:31 PM (This post was last modified: 11-10-2025, 03:31 PM by Wainuitech.)
(11-10-2025, 02:42 PM)Agent_24 Wrote: I don't know which ones you're trying, but I have not experienced that feature enabled by default in anything I've used for many years.
Ones That I've had the 30 sec timer: Mint, ubuntu, kubuntu fedora.
I could install all and take screen shots but the AI response from Google is quicker> ( pic attached)
Currently the main ones ( apart from Servers) I use is kubuntu, as it shares a 100% better than any of the others using samba. In Mint its been broken for a long time.
11-10-2025, 03:39 PM (This post was last modified: 11-10-2025, 03:41 PM by Agent_24.)
Ah, KDE, well I haven't used that for years.
Like you said, if you don't like it, you can turn it off...
How many annoying features in Windows 11 can you turn off?
And by that - I mean how many have an actual option to let you turn it off, without resorting to 3rd party hacks?
(11-10-2025, 03:39 PM)Agent_24 Wrote: Ah, KDE, well I haven't used that for years.
Like you said, if you don't like it, you can turn it off...
How many annoying features in Windows 11 can you turn off?
And by that - I mean how many have an actual option to let you turn it off, without resorting to 3rd party hacks?
You need to be more specific ?? Just like Linux there are programs that "phone home" that are used on both OS's.
BUt heres a legit Question -- Why is it if you leave kubuntu for more than 4 weeks to update when it does it ALWAYS fails with Errors. The responses when many have tried to get an answer is its gone EOL - NOT so- current version. Doesn't matter if you try Via the gui or command prompt. The general response is reinstall -- Again what a crap and pointless answer. ?? IF that happens with Windows ( which it has) simple fix, delete the Software Disruption Folder 9/ 10 fixes any update problems.
Please provide a working reply for kubuntu ?? I have two needing answers.
11-10-2025, 06:25 PM (This post was last modified: 11-10-2025, 06:34 PM by Wainuitech.)
(11-10-2025, 05:18 PM)Agent_24 Wrote: What kind of errors?
If an error message is given, what exactly is it?
How are you trying to apply the updates?
I've had update issues on other distros where the security keyring was outdated, but I don't think the *ubuntu family uses such things.
On the VM -- One of the errors was left for approx 5 weeks, the original error didn't show ( via the GUI) so ran it in a terminal. Had tried it before and got errors along the lines of couldn't update (can't remember the exact message) But after trying just now, after running the same command FIVE TIMES sudo apt update it FINALLY did some updates. There are two more packages but entering the command is different this time. you type the command it says and then errors. Typed it exactly as given. 2nd time it errored it was copy/past so no typos
The other PC in the workshop is a completely different set of errors - I'll try to get them tomorrow. Had all sorts of silly responses like " that shouldn't happen" No bloody kidding The most common answer when asking is reinstall -- Not really good answer.
Its the same thing, anything longer than 4 weeks and errors occur, if you do the daily updates it's fine.
Footnote: While I quite like troubleshooting technical problems for an average home user, the Linux problems soon piss them off when there's no answer or conflicting solutions.
11-10-2025, 06:41 PM (This post was last modified: 11-10-2025, 06:43 PM by king1.)
(11-10-2025, 06:25 PM)Wainuitech Wrote:
(11-10-2025, 05:18 PM)Agent_24 Wrote: What kind of errors?
If an error message is given, what exactly is it?
How are you trying to apply the updates?
I've had update issues on other distros where the security keyring was outdated, but I don't think the *ubuntu family uses such things.
On the VM -- One of the errors was left for approx 5 weeks, the original error didn't show ( via the GUI) so ran it in a terminal. Had tried it before and got errors along the lines of couldn't update (can't remember the exact message) But after trying just now, after running the same command FIVE TIMES sudo apt update it FINALLY did some updates. There are two more packages but entering the command is different this time. you type the command it says and then errors. Typed it exactly as given. 2nd time it errored it was copy/past so no typos
The other PC in the workshop is a completely different set of errors - I'll try to get them tomorrow. Had all sorts of silly responses like " that shouldn't happen" No bloody kidding The most common answer when asking is reinstall -- Not really good answer.
Its the same thing, anything longer than 4 weeks and errors occur, if you do the daily updates it's fine.
Footnote: While I quite like troubleshooting technical problems for an average home user, the Linux problems soon piss them off when there's no answer or conflicting solutions.
Saw a video a while back, regarding Linux change overs. Hits the nail on the head. 
