Windows 10 End of Support - October 14

[Praktica]

I've got lazy in my old age - i can't be bothered with all this command line stuff.

[Wainuitech]

for that one in the attachment it should be 

Code:

apt list --upgradable

Run - isn't part of the command

Yeah, exactly.

When it says: Run 'apt list --upgradable' it's telling you to run the command within the quotes, which is as king1 has described.

"Run" is the command given to you, not the command you type into the terminal.

Thanks for clearing that up. BUT I'm giving up on this useless OS, not wasting my time on inconsistent operating system. Tried the command as suggested -- Just sat there for over 30 minutes did nothing. rebooted, this time tried sudo apt update again nothing happened after typing in and hitting enter. Went to look at the one in the workshop, the laptop started, but dont know what happened but it went "Crazy, flashing crashing" ( best way to describe it). Booted from a USB partition software, wiped drive dropped a w10 image onto it, runs without problems.

At least the ubuntu servers OS's are behaving

[Agent_24]

I've got lazy in my old age - i can't be bothered with all this command line stuff.

In typical daily usage it's not usually required, even on Linux.
Especially if you are a basic user who only needs a web browser, an office suite, and the like.

It's entirely possible to install Linux using a GUI installer, install the programs you want through the GUI, and use your Firefox or Chromium or whatever without needing to open the terminal once.

Even installing updates can be done through the GUI - at least they should be, and I have personally had no issue there - though I do often use the terminal for that just as it's faster.

Wainuitech claimed his updater didn't work, but since we never got to see what the error message was, I can't comment on that. It might have been another typo, who knows? In general, the update systems are pretty reliable from my experience, especially on *Ubuntu

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Yeah, exactly.

When it says: Run 'apt list --upgradable' it's telling you to run the command within the quotes, which is as king1 has described.

"Run" is the command given to you, not the command you type into the terminal.

Thanks for clearing that up. BUT I'm giving up on this useless OS, not wasting my time on inconsistent operating system. Tried the command as suggested -- Just sat there for over 30 minutes did nothing. rebooted, this time tried sudo apt update    again nothing happened  after typing in and hitting enter. Went to look at the one in the workshop, the laptop started, but dont know what happened but it went "Crazy, flashing crashing" ( best way to describe it).  Booted from a USB partition software, wiped drive dropped a w10 image onto it, runs without problems.

At least the ubuntu servers OS's are behaving

I wonder if it's a VM compatibility issue. You say you have the latest version of Kubuntu - I assume 25.10? Is your VM host software actually able to support it properly? I would try the latest LTS release - currently 24.04

It's of course entirely possible the latest version has bugs, having only just been released.

When you say you typed

Code:

sudo apt update

and nothing happened - do you mean it didn't even ask you for your password?

[Wainuitech]

I've got lazy in my old age - i can't be bothered with all this command line stuff.

In typical daily usage it's not usually required, even on Linux.
Especially if you are a basic user who only needs a web browser, an office suite, and the like.

It's entirely possible to install Linux using a GUI installer, install the programs you want through the GUI, and use your Firefox or Chromium or whatever without needing to open the terminal once.

Even installing updates can be done through the GUI - at least they should be, and I have personally had no issue there - though I do often use the terminal for that just as it's faster.

Wainuitech claimed his updater didn't work, but since we never got to see what the error message was, I can't comment on that. It might have been another typo, who knows? In general, the update systems are pretty reliable from my experience, especially on *Ubuntu

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Thanks for clearing that up. BUT I'm giving up on this useless OS, not wasting my time on inconsistent operating system. Tried the command as suggested -- Just sat there for over 30 minutes did nothing. rebooted, this time tried sudo apt update    again nothing happened  after typing in and hitting enter. Went to look at the one in the workshop, the laptop started, but dont know what happened but it went "Crazy, flashing crashing" ( best way to describe it).  Booted from a USB partition software, wiped drive dropped a w10 image onto it, runs without problems.

At least the ubuntu servers OS's are behaving

I wonder if it's a VM compatibility issue. You say you have the latest version of Kubuntu - I assume 25.10? Is your VM host software actually able to support it properly? I would try the latest LTS release - currently 24.04

////I/t's of course entirely possible the latest version has bugs, having only just been released.

When you say you typed

Code:

sudo apt update

and nothing happened - do you mean it didn't even ask you for your password?

Both the VM and laptop have / had 25.04, (laptop has been wiped) both were installed within a day of each other 29/6/25 ( different downloads as I misplaced the USB drive) . Been running ok, until left more than 4 weeks to do an update.

After opening a terminal enter the command, enter password ( appears to accept it) then nothing. ( imagine as if it freezes) which it has never done before, only started playing silly buggers after some of the updates that took 5 goes went in.

I do have a clone (VM) of an earlier version 24.10, if I feel like playing I'll load that, but don't wait or hold your breath

Had this thing happen quite a few times ( on several different computers-so its not hardware) , after some updates or upgrades everything turns to custard.

[Agent_24]

Both the VM and laptop have / had 25.04, (laptop has been wiped) both were installed within a day of each other 29/6/25 ( different downloads as I misplaced the USB drive) .  Been running ok, until left more than 4 weeks to do an update.

After opening a terminal enter the command, enter password  ( appears to accept it) then nothing. ( imagine as if it freezes) which it has never done before, only started playing silly buggers  after some of the updates that took 5 goes went in.

I do have a clone (VM)  of an earlier version 24.10, if I feel like playing I'll load that, but don't wait or hold your breath

Had this thing happen quite a few times ( on several different computers-so its not hardware) , after some updates or upgrades everything turns to custard.

How strange.
I only have one computer with a recent version of Xubuntu, 24.10 I think, and have had no such issues with updates.
Xubuntu uses XFCE and I use either the Synaptic package manager, or apt through through terminal.
Though I am only using it for testing as I am not impressed with Canonical's whole snap thing.

Anyway - I have not used Kubuntu for years, as I don't like KDE much, I recall it does use a different GUI package manager, though I do not remember the name.

It would definitely be interesting to know what messages were generated at the point you had to retry updating 5 times in a row, and on the first time there was an update failure. It sounds like there could be some issue with the package manager itself, but hard to say what might be wrong without the error messages.

Perhaps the contents of

Code:

/var/log/dpkg.log
/var/log/apt/term.log
/var/log/apt/history.log

(and/or the archived versions) would allow one to dig up some of the error messages, at least.

[Wainuitech]

Both the VM and laptop have / had 25.04, (laptop has been wiped) both were installed within a day of each other 29/6/25 ( different downloads as I misplaced the USB drive) .  Been running ok, until left more than 4 weeks to do an update.

After opening a terminal enter the command, enter password  ( appears to accept it) then nothing. ( imagine as if it freezes) which it has never done before, only started playing silly buggers  after some of the updates that took 5 goes went in.

I do have a clone (VM)  of an earlier version 24.10, if I feel like playing I'll load that, but don't wait or hold your breath

Had this thing happen quite a few times ( on several different computers-so its not hardware) , after some updates or upgrades everything turns to custard.

How strange.
I only have one computer with a recent version of Xubuntu, 24.10 I think, and have had no such issues with updates.
Xubuntu uses XFCE and I use either the Synaptic package manager, or apt through through terminal.
Though I am only using it for testing as I am not impressed with Canonical's whole snap thing.

Anyway - I have not used Kubuntu for years, as I don't like KDE much, I recall it does use a different GUI package manager, though I do not remember the name.

It would definitely be interesting to know what messages were generated at the point you had to retry updating 5 times in a row, and on the first time there was an update failure. It sounds like there could be some issue with the package manager itself, but hard to say what might be wrong without the error messages.

Perhaps the contents of

Code:

/var/log/dpkg.log
/var/log/apt/term.log
/var/log/apt/history.log

(and/or the archived versions) would allow one to dig up some of the error messages, at least.

Thanks for trying--  But no can do. The VM was deleted, loading the Clone of the original, which wanted to upgrade to 25.04. Still waiting. Might have to leave it 4 + weeks to see if history repeats

Edited: this is going to be fun - 2nd picture.

[Agent_24]

How strange.
I only have one computer with a recent version of Xubuntu, 24.10 I think, and have had no such issues with updates.
Xubuntu uses XFCE and I use either the Synaptic package manager, or apt through through terminal.
Though I am only using it for testing as I am not impressed with Canonical's whole snap thing.

Anyway - I have not used Kubuntu for years, as I don't like KDE much, I recall it does use a different GUI package manager, though I do not remember the name.

It would definitely be interesting to know what messages were generated at the point you had to retry updating 5 times in a row, and on the first time there was an update failure. It sounds like there could be some issue with the package manager itself, but hard to say what might be wrong without the error messages.

Perhaps the contents of

Code:

/var/log/dpkg.log
/var/log/apt/term.log
/var/log/apt/history.log

(and/or the archived versions) would allow one to dig up some of the error messages, at least.

Thanks for trying--  But no can do. The VM was deleted, loading the Clone of the original, which wanted to upgrade to 25.04. Still waiting. Might have to leave it 4 + weeks to see if history repeats

Edited: this is going to be fun - 2nd picture.

Were you running an upgraded version before?
I must admit, I have not used the upgrade feature much, the last time I used it (many years ago) I ran into some problems.

So I wonder if that could be the source of your issues... 
I'd have thought the upgrade process would be more reliable by now, and probably should be, but... who knows.

Did you have any errors or problems running an upgrade previously, on the install that had updater problems?

[Wainuitech]

Thanks for trying--  But no can do. The VM was deleted, loading the Clone of the original, which wanted to upgrade to 25.04. Still waiting. Might have to leave it 4 + weeks to see if history repeats

Edited: this is going to be fun - 2nd picture.

Were you running an upgraded version before?
I must admit, I have not used the upgrade feature much, the last time I used it (many years ago) I ran into some problems.

So I wonder if that could be the source of your issues... 
I'd have thought the upgrade process would be more reliable by now, and probably should be, but... who knows.

Did you have any errors or problems running an upgrade previously, on the install that had updater problems?

Honestly, cant remember if it was an upgrade or not. BUT since it was a Clone ( VMWare Workstation Pro gives the option to clone a Current VM) I suspect the original was an earlier version. This upgrade appears to have gone fine. It feels quicker than the previous Version, and it didn't break the network-linked folders like others have.

Any others that have caused problems in the past 99% of all issues were when updating a large number of files 4+ weeks at least, or upgrading from one version to another. These were on separate Computers, not VMs.

Guess I'll have to leave it 4 + Weeks and see what happens ( i'll let ya know )

The main reason for selecting Kubuntu is the networking is very close to how Windows does it, AND its easier to share files as well on Kubuntu - this is in case ( or when) customers ask about what version of Linux I would use.
MANY of my customers, file sharing is important, and anything that's easier is better. Mention editing config files and it's out the door, forget it. Need something easy.
That's one thing I like about ZimaOS (a NAS), file sharing, password-protected, is as simple as falling off a log, and remote access ( haven't tried it yet, but it looks easy if it works).

[Agent_24]

Sometimes you can get breakage (I've seen it in other distros that do rolling-release, not *ubuntu though) if the system is really out of date and you try to apply the latest updates, but that shouldn't be the case here, and yours isn't old enough anyway.

With regards to upgrading distro versions in *ubuntu, I would recommend applying the latest updates for the current version, rebooting, then doing the upgrade.

[CorylusMaxima]

A big thank you to all of you giving insights into pros and cons of systems. I have learnt a lot from this.

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I've got lazy in my old age - i can't be bothered with all this command line stuff.

Sometimes it pays....
I've been struggling with one of my ancient PCs to get Win 10 ESU offered.
In a last ditch effort today I came across this https://www.yourwindowsguide.com/2025/09...#gsc.tab=0
Copy and paste is easy and it did the trick.

[Agent_24]

A big thank you to all of you giving insights into pros and cons of systems. I have learnt a lot from this.

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I've got lazy in my old age - i can't be bothered with all this command line stuff.

Sometimes it pays....
I've been struggling with one of my ancient PCs to get Win 10 ESU offered.
In a last ditch effort today I came across this https://www.yourwindowsguide.com/2025/09...#gsc.tab=0
Copy and paste is easy and it did the trick.

Exactly, there's plenty of advanced tweaking and settings that requires command line usage in Windows, plus there's also the registry which you sometimes have to muck about in. 

But it's really not that hard, so long as you read the instructions carefully.
And the more you do it, the more you learn, and the easier it gets next time.

[king1]

I don't see the point, it only gets you another year...

and TBH probably the same for all the unsupported devices being upgraded to Windows 11, MS will probably timeout their updates fairly quickly

[Agent_24]

I don't see the point, it only gets you another year...

That's an extra year to learn how to use Linux 

[Wainuitech]

I don't see the point, it only gets you another year...

and TBH probably the same for all the unsupported devices being upgraded to Windows 11, MS will probably timeout their updates fairly quickly

If you are running unsupported devices while you'll get updates you wont get any newer versions.

Eg 22H2- 24H2 Just tried it with an Unsupported - wont pick up the upgrade where as a supported did ( same OS versions) , so downloaded 25H2 ( original was 22H2 W11) run it via Rufus, and do an repair install type install. That went in fine. Edited: its also noticeably quicker on 25H2