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things i saw...
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(29-05-2022, 06:19 AM)Magoo Wrote:
(28-05-2022, 07:18 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: Celia Lashlie was getting good results & her trust continues to do so. This is not something which can be fixed quickly & Celia Lashlie's methods certainly haven't been tried for over 50 years.
What has been tried for well over 50 years - centuries in fact, is the same old short sighted 'lock 'em up & throw away the key'

https://www.celialashlie.nz/

https://www.facebook.com/celialashlielegacy/

"Two things to take note of in this article - particularly as the “we are being soft on crime” rhetoric begins (sigh)…..
“Overall, is youth crime on the rise? The short answer: No. Youth crime has been tracking down for a long time, with the latest Youth Justice Indicators Summary Report revealing offending rates among tamariki aged 10 to 13 fell by 65% between 2010/11 and 2020/21. There has definitely been a spike in the ramraids in Auckland over the last few months, but still the trajectory for youth crime overall nationally is down”

…. And in terms of solutions ? “There are generations of inequality, there are socio-economic factors, there’s a ton of different things that come into play that cause this space where young people are having to revert to crime……For Pouesi, his goal for rangatahi was that every single one had an adult who thought the world of them. That is where the solution to youth crime could lie, but it wasn’t easy to achieve…”
Let’s remain evidence based instead of knee jerk “let’s get tough on crime” statements!"

thats a lot of watery reasons excuses to continue doing nothing. too hard?

what age old 'lock em up and throw away the key' solution is that?
to my knowledge its been years since we successfully prosecuted and punished a child murderer. hardly a whisper of it after each child is buried.
our criminal justice system has thus far been impotent to act on any of this. each year it gets worse, but we refuse to apply the system as it was intended, of course it doesnt work. we wont let it.
every person reaches a point where they have to choose to do right or wrong. i cannot accept that this choice is negated by poor upbringing or trauma, its a choice, not an instruction. if the murderers life was so traumatic why are we learning about it in retrospect? should not the parents been made to answer to that? but we leave the offender and the root cause of the offender to carry on with their sick lives.

it would seem there are those that find our deplorable world beating statistics acceptable.
that think the approach we've taken thus far works, and change isnt necessary.
that would continue to blame abstract historical events as the cause, nullifying the need for change, blaming the previous generation and letting the ether inhabiting apologists and academia influence outcomes to which they have no claim..

i dont see much room for compassion when someone has killed a child with their bare hands.
ive even less compassion for someone who defends, minimises or accepts it as part of life.
we are the country that produces more child murderers in our world than all our peers, and thats ok.



There's little point in handing out ever more severe punishments when they simply do not work; they don't prevent these types of crimes from continuing to happen & that surely is the desired eventual outcome when dealing with this kind of crime.

Find the causes & fix them, that old saying : 'An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure' makes a good deal of sense when it comes to crime, & especially crimes against children.
I've yet to meet anyone who believes our stats on child murders are in any way acceptable.
We very seldom if ever, hear of the lives of those who later commit this type of crime - or at least, not until its far too late to attempt any move to change things. Really, this is something which can't be fixed quickly & we will eventually have to understand that rather than expecting to solve the problem in a couple of months, or even a couple of years.
in order to be old & wise, you must first be young & stupid. (I'm still working on that.)
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things i saw... - by Magoo - 27-05-2022, 07:45 AM
RE: things i saw... - by Oh_hunnihunni - 27-05-2022, 09:48 AM
RE: things i saw... - by Olive - 27-05-2022, 10:00 AM
RE: things i saw... - by Oldfellah - 27-05-2022, 11:46 AM
RE: things i saw... - by harm_less - 27-05-2022, 11:59 AM
RE: things i saw... - by Magoo - 27-05-2022, 12:41 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Magoo - 27-05-2022, 02:40 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Lilith7 - 27-05-2022, 02:44 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Magoo - 27-05-2022, 03:11 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Lilith7 - 27-05-2022, 03:20 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Magoo - 27-05-2022, 04:33 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Oh_hunnihunni - 27-05-2022, 06:56 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Lilith7 - 27-05-2022, 06:56 PM
RE: things i saw... - by harm_less - 27-05-2022, 07:13 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Magoo - 27-05-2022, 10:14 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Lilith7 - 28-05-2022, 11:32 AM
RE: things i saw... - by Magoo - 28-05-2022, 11:56 AM
RE: things i saw... - by Magoo - 28-05-2022, 01:34 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Magoo - 28-05-2022, 04:06 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Lilith7 - 28-05-2022, 04:07 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Magoo - 28-05-2022, 04:16 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Lilith7 - 28-05-2022, 07:18 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Magoo - 29-05-2022, 06:19 AM
RE: things i saw... - by Lilith7 - 29-05-2022, 11:32 AM
RE: things i saw... - by Magoo - 29-05-2022, 02:59 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Lilith7 - 29-05-2022, 03:28 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Magoo - 29-05-2022, 04:55 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Lilith7 - 29-05-2022, 07:26 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Magoo - 30-05-2022, 06:27 AM
RE: things i saw... - by Praktica - 30-05-2022, 08:05 AM
RE: things i saw... - by Magoo - 30-05-2022, 05:04 PM
RE: things i saw... - by harm_less - 30-05-2022, 05:44 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Lilith7 - 30-05-2022, 10:58 AM
RE: things i saw... - by Magoo - 30-05-2022, 06:13 PM
RE: things i saw... - by harm_less - 30-05-2022, 09:43 PM
RE: things i saw... - by Lilith7 - 30-05-2022, 07:36 PM
RE: things i saw... - by king1 - 30-05-2022, 11:26 PM

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