Myocarditis caused by Covid vaccine led to Dunedin man's death - coroner

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Some of that is just BS CT.

• It has been made clear that the risk of myocarditis was not required to be spelled out in the early days, it was not an oversight or omission - just not considered enough I guess with the current thinking at the time.  Everyone was learning fast as the pandemic progressed
  
• There were obviously clinical trials, they were accelerated, and on smaller sample groups (about 50,000) than normal, but they were done - time was of the essence obviously...   Clinical trials, safety reviews are still progressing now.
  
• America:  well those douchebags avoided lockdowns until the last minute, and a federal government that had an idiot in charge and no real teeth or inclination to mandate anything - that is why they had such high numbers of deaths (all attributable to 'the Don' IMHO).  We avoided this by being able to institute lockdowns during the alpha strain, prior to the release of vaccines.  
  

I have heard that the rats don't show a positive result until you've had covid for a few days before the symptoms show up, so from that point of view I think they are just a little bit pointless now...

If clinical trials are still progressing, what does that say? Whats even the point of it all if its been given to billions of people by now and they find something serious?



Also I want to see the clear data of the rates of myocarditis for unvaxxed vs vaxxed, I cant find anything.

Clinical trials are always progressing. At the moment there is a new vaccine that is specific to Omicron. And there is also a lot of background work being done on a vaccine for all corona viruses - ie flu, some colds, and Covid. Also, the idea of the vaccines we have had as being too fast through the systems - development started after the first SARS virus hit in 2002. It was clear then that although that one died out quickly, another one would eventually hit and the work continued over the 18 years in between. It was only some of the stages needed to get the new vaccines out and available that were hurried through.


This is some of what I was looking at this morning when I gave the broad figures above...

https://covid19.nih.gov/news-and-stories...yocarditis
and
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10....121.056135


Also
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/ about under-20s Myocarditis (or pericarditis or myopericarditis) from primary COVID19 infection occurred at a rate as high as 450 per million in young males. Young males infected with the virus are up 6 times more likely to develop myocarditis as those who have received the vaccine."

plus this one about flu"
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2019-...ts-flu.htm
and


Every trial has different data presented in different ways. Look for reviews for collation and understand that everything moves so fast that what was "right" yesterday is "wrong" today and new data builds on the old.