21-09-2022, 09:58 PM
(21-09-2022, 02:40 PM)SueDonim Wrote:(21-09-2022, 01:11 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: If clinical trials are still progressing, what does that say? Whats even the point of it all if its been given to billions of people by now and they find something serious?
Also I want to see the clear data of the rates of myocarditis for unvaxxed vs vaxxed, I cant find anything.
Clinical trials are always progressing. At the moment there is a new vaccine that is specific to Omicron. And there is also a lot of background work being done on a vaccine for all corona viruses - ie flu, some colds, and Covid. Also, the idea of the vaccines we have had as being too fast through the systems - development started after the first SARS virus hit in 2002. It was clear then that although that one died out quickly, another one would eventually hit and the work continued over the 18 years in between. It was only some of the stages needed to get the new vaccines out and available that were hurried through.
This is some of what I was looking at this morning when I gave the broad figures above...
https://covid19.nih.gov/news-and-stories...yocarditis
and
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10....121.056135
Also
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/ about under-20s Myocarditis (or pericarditis or myopericarditis) from primary COVID19 infection occurred at a rate as high as 450 per million in young males. Young males infected with the virus are up 6 times more likely to develop myocarditis as those who have received the vaccine."
plus this one about flu"
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2019-...ts-flu.htm
and
Every trial has different data presented in different ways. Look for reviews for collation and understand that everything moves so fast that what was "right" yesterday is "wrong" today and new data builds on the old.
I dont think it was mRNA vaccines that were being developed way back when SARS was a concern though.
Yes there is a vaccine that can protect against omicron, but have no idea how it holds up to many of the subvariants.
Ive been watching the development of a vaccine in Australia that claims to protect against virtually all variants and even future variants, im not sure its exact mechanism on what it targets, but must be some universal protein found in this class of viruses or something.
I would be interested to see how many of the covid deaths involved myocarditis, that would give us some real solid data.