(05-11-2022, 10:09 AM)Praktica Wrote:(05-11-2022, 07:01 AM)jilledge Wrote: You'd think - but that isn't what it is about.
If you're going to go on about something at the very least get a basic understanding of it.
The information is literally at your finger tips
Yeah, but the reality is vastly different; employers will say that the Govt. has determined what a fair wage is for a certain job, and that's that - coupled with the fact that directors now have a legal responsibility to their shareholders to get the best possible return, unnecessary pay rises will potentially open them up to legal recourse.
This type of thing benefit the ones who don't really want to work hard, or who want to do the bare minimum, whilst people who want to work hard for a greater return will not - accordingly the hard workers will work less... It's like that old fable; let me dig it out:
https://medium.com/age-of-awareness/abou...a704cb76d8
Lot's of handwaving and supposition here, but behind it is the same old discredited myth, happily propagated by employers and their stooges. What they want is everyone on the same, low pay, to maximise what they can take out of the business. Got to pay for the mcmansion, the boats and the porsche...
I think you'll find the majority of employers are far from "mcmansion". Sure there are some, but so many small businesses are struggling to pay the staff they need to employ to stay alive. Some don't even get to pay themselves.
(05-11-2022, 11:14 AM)jilledge Wrote: The people who will benefit will be the employers and the slackers. They will save $$ and get paid more respectively.
The people who will suffer will be employees who want to work hard and get ahead
In some cases it would allow the employers to survive to keep everyone on minimum wage, but that does little to help the overall economy. You are dead right about the slackers. Add to that the drug takers. And anyone else failing to do a fair day's work for a fair day's pay. So many have lost the concept of working hard to get ahead. If they do, the tall poppy syndrome will try to tear them down anyway.
The article in your link was good food for thought. I would say NZ is struggling to maintain Gorman's position in the happiness scale at the moment. We have too much of the "teacher's" "class" going on at the moment. We are struggling to get people to work. People seem to think that work ethic = having a job, rather than working hard at that job to ensure the success of the business.
(04-11-2022, 06:18 PM)Zurdo Wrote: A productivity payment ? Then those who work harder will earn more. Been there, done that - it doesn't work.
For me. The lazy buggers cut corners and churn out more work.
It can work if the employers have the knowledge and ambition to make it work. Trouble is of course than many don't take enough interest in the shop floor. And sometimes churning out a higher volume of lower quality work actually is more profitable than a smaller quantity of high quality work. And that could mean the difference between staying alive or bankruptcy for many. But that's also why we've become so dependent on China - cheap rubbish that can be thrown away in the short term so that we can buy another one. If we could swing the balance back to pride in quality and an appreciation of saving money by buying the best once, then the worker producing that quality output can be properly rewarded. And the environment would benefit without all the rubbish being discarded.