(17-11-2022, 06:43 PM)Olive Wrote: The Luxon speech writers are playing on voters' ignorance of what a "boot camp" would actually consist of. They are implying that it would be some kind of Outward Bound plus ankle bracelets, whereas in fact it would be brutal, expensive and basically adult level punishment for kids as young as 10. No recognition of rehab, education or redressing the imbalances of colonisation and inequality of opportunity.
Absolutely agree. While it may be more expensive & take longer, education & rehab & fixing the situation which creates their behaviour works.
Its typical right wing bash bash bash 'remedy' though. Either they won't or can't see past the fact that it simply does not work, & not only doesn't work, but can do damage to people.
And really, Luxon advocating that children of 10 wear an ankle bracelet illustrates vividly just how out of touch both he & his party are.
They're interested only in advocating a quick fix for the situation & the more punitive, the better apparently. The long term doesn't interest them as long as they can appear tough & gain votes - they trot the same old nonsense whenever they want to get the voters stirred up.
If they were genuinely interested in ending & preventing such behaviour then they'd be looking at changing the things which lead to it. To the best of my knowledge, they never have.
(18-11-2022, 12:05 AM)joe 90 Wrote: It has proved fairly successfull in uk & it has nothing to do with weapons or military training training . The boot camp boys have a choice of stay & do the time & their sentence for their crime is waived . The reoffending rate & those that walk out is very low . NZs catch & release system sure as hell aint working our young hoodlums are totally out of control & neither police or courts do bugger all about it , the hoodlums know they wont be prosecuted as adults . vigalantism will prevail shops & h home owners resort to using weapons to protect their property , i know several farmers who are prepared to ,theyve had enough of the theiving
The 'hoodlums' are children. 'Boot camps' do not work; they've been tried here before with much fanfare & - nothing.
The problem isn't 'lack of discipline'. The problem is a deeply unfair society.
in order to be old & wise, you must first be young & stupid. (I'm still working on that.)