Is this what this place has come to now?

[king1]

It might be a while though, before the social change around hate speech actually registers in some minds.
 So until then, I guess we rely on the rules.

I read an interesting quote today, attributed to Goethe. It was along the lines of 'what we attribute to conspiracy is more easily explained by stupidity'. One of the reasons I am fiercely in support of widening our access to education, because it seems to me stupid people are often the worst abusers through their own ignorance, as are those who fall so easily into believing the crap fed to them by those with rat cunning and axes to grind...

... and a profit motive...