(20-01-2023, 10:24 AM)king1 Wrote: IF every accident was caused by drugged up mules then that could make sense, but it is not the case. Accidents don't just happen to druggies and drunks.
Of course some accidents are genuine accidents, but most are not. The amount of drug-taking in our society is a HUGE problem, and I am sure that a very high proportion of "accidents" would not have happened if the people weren't stoned. In the trades, the employers are between a rock and a hard place. Threats of drugs tests don't work because everyone would fail. Well-trained drug-free roofers don't fall off.
But part of my point was the fact that home owners who are not trained are still allowed up there. So clearly they also don't fall off to a degree that bothers ACC.
[/quote]But for those who support ACT, or the rightist wing of National, everyone is responsible for their own situations: an accident is always the fault of the victim; poverty is always caused by fecklessness; disparities in educational achievements are always caused by unwillingness to learn.
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That can be twisted the other way. Currently, an accident is never the fault of the victim - no matter how drugged, drunk or stupid they were; poverty is never caused by fecklessness - no matter how much they have frittered their money away on junk food, alcohol and drugs; disparities in educational achievement are never caused by unwillingness to learn. Of course all of them are ridiculous in that extreme, and neither ACT not National will be to the extreme in your list. What we do need though is for people to start taking some responsibility for their situations.
(20-01-2023, 10:34 AM)king1 Wrote: Disagree totally, any action movie will show that at least two if not three or more weapons at a time can be brandished... and then, the type of weapons in possession become an issue, yes we need a firearms register, it would certainly help in knowing this information
A bitter spouse cannot and should not stop appropriate action being taken, just in case. If it is found to be malicious then there are laws and processes to sort the spouse out... You cannot second guess a firearms incident response by doubting the motives of the caller... I would suggest many woman would appreciate this aspect...
One of the biggest problems we have is that since our society has become increasingly urbanised what people know about guns tends to be what they have learned on action movies. Kids no longer grow up shooting rabbits and learning basic firearms skills and safety. While it might be theoretically possible to hold a rifle or shotgun in each hand, there would be a minimal amount of control and it's really not feasible in reality.
You are correct that erring on the side of caution is appropriate in domestic situations, but under our present system the police know whether or not there are firearms in the house. How many might be there is not important. Remember, in the "heat of the moment" a potential offender has to find the keys, unlock the gunsafe, unlock the second safe where the ammunition is kept, then load up. The knives in the kitchen drawer are a bigger problem if things have gone really bad.
(20-01-2023, 07:04 PM)king1 Wrote: personally, I like the fact that someone that hates has been affected by our stricter gun laws... Clearly they are working as intended...
I think we have a huge problem in that the use and definition of the word "hate" has changed. There's an emotional continuum between Love and Hate. Most of us feel somewhere between the two extremes for most people. Just because we dislike someone extremely and may say we "hate" them doesn't mean we want to kill them. On the other hand, most criminals don't even know let alone hate their victims. So just because someone uses the word conversationally doesn't mean they are a problem.
(21-01-2023, 07:05 AM)Garysixtyseven Wrote: Since a few on here have slammed my opinion I will address some of the things you have assumed I mean.
Firstly I have a family member who was at the mosque and received an award for what he did, I know a community member from here who was at the mosque, I have a friend who was sent to the mosque as part of their job, I have met and spoken with the police officers who arrested the nutter, I live next door to two police officers great people doing a difficult job. Not one of these people was in favour of the changes to the firearms laws it was directed from on high and came from the office of the prime minister.
The friend was told to surrender his own licence simply because his Ex wife told police he was unstable after the shootings, a psychologist says otherwise but they still don't have their licence back so it can and does happen.
The prime minister stood up on television and promised New Zealand two things.
One that removing these weapons would make NZ safer. This hasn't happened see all the gang shootings.
Two a completely independent from police firearms authority to allow police to carry out their core work of catching criminals and upholding the law. This also has not happened.
The register while a good idea in practice will as other countries have found cost billions to make happen, will attract attempts from organised crime to obtain 'shopping lists' of firearms and will not make any difference at all as illegally held firearms will not be registered.
As any leader finds out being at the top the buck stops at your door, its not a job I would want and I detest anyone who slams family and friends of our leaders, but as leader you have to stand on your merit. Did she deliver on election promises No, did her party get elected with a MMP majority on her personality rather than the parties results from policies Yes. Ultimately it was a government with her at the helm so it is only right that she ultimately is responsible for its failings, hugs don't get results.
This is my final piece in this thread, so go on slay me I don't care I have thick skin.
Thank you for this post. A voice of sense and reason.