03-03-2023, 02:58 PM
(03-03-2023, 11:46 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote:(03-03-2023, 11:25 AM)zqwerty Wrote: People who won't get vaccinated based on some idea of their personal freedom being infringed are a danger to us all.
Did I kill anyone because I was unvaxxed?
I likely caught covid from someone who was vaxxed and I know I gave it to a friend who was fully vaxxed, so what is the point of the jolly jab?
We can now learn it was never tested for preventing transmission.
I know someone who was fully vaxxed, double boosted and caught covid twice, was at a dinner and got a call from the hosts saying that there was a covid case there, i happened to be sitting right next to that person at the dinner table and shook hands, etc. Didnt catch it.
In fact ive only caught covid the once and never caught it ever since, been to tons of public gatherings, etc and never ever caught it again.
I would say that natural immunity is better.
Is there any evidence the unvaxxed caused an overload to the heallth system?
How many unvaxxed people needed ICU treatment?
Serious questions that need serious answers.
So many basic human rights were stolen from many of us for the sake of many who refused medical treatment, doesnt even matter what reasons.
I was just apprehensive of being a guniea pig, I may have taken the jab after seeing that no one had any issues, but the fact is that there are significant side effects coming to the surface and im glad i didnt take it.
Anyone see the small print for all these vaccine adverts on the TV (such as the shingles vaccine?) this is a relatively safe vaccine, yet they have to put all these disclaimers on the TV, yet the official covid ads gave us no disclaimer and just told us its "safe and effective"
I feel sorry for all the guniea pigs who trusted this. I have a good friend who is suffering and they dont have any treatment for her. What are they supposed to do? There are many similar stories out there, but I know of at least two people personally who regret having the jab and suffer serious health effects.
(03-03-2023, 11:44 AM)king1 Wrote: Looks to me like a bunch of anti vaxxy, conspiracy theorist nutters trying to remain relevant after the rest of the world has moved on...
I note none of the individual "team of independent filmmakers who volunteered their time" are prepared to put their full name to it... I wonder what that says about them?
The majority of these protesters were simply people who lost their jobs due to the mandates.
I couldnt care less what conspiracy theories they believe in or dont believe in, there is sadly a minority who believe in chemtrails or 5G, etc, but at the end of the day they are entitled to their beliefs.
I respect peoples beliefs no matter how nutty they are, its their choice.
I was in a high control cult and I know what its like.
Look at all the division its caused, you really have to ask whether it was worth it?
Only time will tell.
The covid cult is no different, just a bunch of sheep being told its safe and effective, "trust us" "we are the source of truth" exactly the same BS we were told in the JW cult, all critical thinking goes out the door, do your own research, look at both sides of the argument and dont just listen to the state controlled media.
Make an informed decision from all sources.
Here we go again! My comments in italics.
Did I kill anyone because I was unvaxxed?
You will never know that. If you went out where there were were people in the days before you got sick you may have passed it on to someone. That can still happen when we are vaxxed too, but is less likely.
I likely caught covid from someone who was vaxxed and I know I gave it to a friend who was fully vaxxed, so what is the point of the jolly jab?
You might not have caught if you were jabbed. Your friend who caught it from you might have been much sicker if they weren't jabbed.
We can now learn it was never tested for preventing transmission.
It was always known that it wouldn't totally prevent transmission. Total transmission prevention is not possible - you can have it on your hands and pass it to the next person even if you never actually "catch". The point of the jab is that if EVERYONE is vaccinated, there will be less transmission and less severe illness in the population as a whole. I really wish you could understand that.
I know someone who was fully vaxxed, double boosted and caught covid twice, was at a dinner and got a call from the hosts saying that there was a covid case there, i happened to be sitting right next to that person at the dinner table and shook hands, etc. Didnt catch it.
You were lucky. Or maybe you did catch it then and were asymptomatic. If I went out to dinner I would do a rat test beforehand and would expect everyone else there to do so too. That also doesn't prevent transmission rorm people incubating the disease, but goes a long way to reducing overall risk.
In fact ive only caught covid the once and never caught it ever since, been to tons of public gatherings, etc and never ever caught it again.
So you are lucky. Many people are not lucky. All those who died were extremely unlucky and maybe would not have died if EVERYONE had been vaccinated. And for you, catching it once would have given you a degree of immunity for a while, although not as much as a vaccination. Or maybe you are a carrier.
I would say that natural immunity is better.
NO NO NO. It is well proven that "natural" immunity is far less effective than vaccine immunity. Some people even get covid twice within a few weeks.
Is there any evidence the unvaxxed caused an overload to the heallth system?
There is plenty of evidence that covid caused an overload in the health system. I also remember that our daily numbers used to include information about vaxxed v unvaxxed and it was clear that although plenty of hospitalisations were vaxxed, the number of unvaxxed was disproportionately high.So, it's clear that having the majority of people vaxxed reduced the overall health system stress, and also, if there were no unvaxxed people at all, there would have been a lot less virus kicking around.
How many unvaxxed people needed ICU treatment?
You could go back and look up the figures yourself. I don't feel a need to. I have spent many hours looking up data to properly answer your questions in the past and have learnt that it's a waste of time.
So many basic human rights were stolen from many of us for the sake of many who refused medical treatment, doesnt even matter what reasons.
The basic human rights that were stolen were from those who got vaccinated, wore masks and isolated themselves because it was the right and sensible thing to do, but had their lives turned upside down by an out of control virus that could have been squashed at the start if EVERYONE had done their bit. Those that lost jobs because of their "anti" stance were mostly health and teaching professionals who should know how to read and critically evaluate information. They showed that they didn't have these basic skills and were therefore incompetent in those jobs. Hopefully the next generation of both professions will have learned those basic skills and will do what is needed when the next virus hits us.
I was just apprehensive of being a guniea pig.
No one in the general population was a guinea pig. The guinea pigs for mRNA vaccine research were way back before this pandemic even started.
I may have taken the jab after seeing that no one had any issues, but the fact is that there are significant side effects coming to the surface and im glad i didnt take it.
Fear of the possible side effects is legitimate, but for any thinking person, fear of the virus is greater. That's why we all had the jab and put up with a few days of side effects, knowing that overall we and everyone around us would be safer from more severed illness.
Anyone see the small print for all these vaccine adverts on the TV (such as the shingles vaccine?) this is a relatively safe vaccine, yet they have to put all these disclaimers on the TV, yet the official covid ads gave us no disclaimer and just told us its "safe and effective".
I haven't watched ads for the shingles vaccine, but can imagine a number of reasons whey the advertising might be different. Looking up the relative expected side effects I can see that the shngles vaccine has plenty, and for some symptoms has a higher incidence and/or severity than the Pfizer covid vaccine.
I feel sorry for all the guniea pigs who trusted this. I have a good friend who is suffering and they dont have any treatment for her. What are they supposed to do? There are many similar stories out there, but I know of at least two people personally who regret having the jab and suffer serious health effects.
I don't know where and how you keep getting "stories", but they are just that. Unless they have been investigated and confirmed as being vaccine related you should assume that they are not, because they probably are coincidental.
The majority of these protesters were simply people who lost their jobs due to the mandates.
Those who didn't care enough to just do what is right. Those who didn't have the education or knowledge to critically analyse information. The ignorant and arrogant few who thought they knew more than people who spend decades of learning and commitment to professions and actually know how the human body works.
I couldnt care less what conspiracy theories they believe in or dont believe in, there is sadly a minority who believe in chemtrails or 5G, etc, but at the end of the day they are entitled to their beliefs.
People are entitled to beliefs, but sometimes their beliefs are so outrageous that they are downright embarrassing. Belief is just that - belief in something intangible. It can be respected when actual evidence is short or the concept is esoteric. When it comes to medical science, we use the concept of evidence. Knowledge can change over time as we learn more, but it's not something that lends itself to abstract "belief".
I respect peoples beliefs no matter how nutty they are, its their choice.
I was in a high control cult and I know what its like.
Look at all the division its caused, you really have to ask whether it was worth it?
Only time will tell.
The covid cult is no different, just a bunch of sheep being told its safe and effective, "trust us" "we are the source of truth" exactly the same BS we were told in the JW cult, all critical thinking goes out the door, do your own research, look at both sides of the argument and dont just listen to the state controlled media.
Make an informed decision from all sources.
The cults of religious-type belief are the example of how people get sucked in. People understanding and trusting science are not being sucked in to any cult. It is the CTs who are the cult, who believe the "stories" and seek out disinformation to justify a stance that is contrary to actual evidence, knowledge and common sense. Informed decision making comes from understanding reality, not pushing it aside in favour of something that simply doesn't make sense.