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ACT, National could govern...the stuff of nightmares
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(20-05-2023, 04:25 PM)SueDonim Wrote:
(20-05-2023, 03:23 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: Given the state of our planet I think its rather more than 'having their hearts in the right place' & perhaps more a matter of our survival. Dodgy Rolleyes

National may well have 'business sense' but it lacks understanding of the day to day struggle people are now coping with & doesn't show even the tiniest inclination to attempt understanding.
A country is not a business & should be well run for the benefit of us all rather than just a small group of the well off.



I see the usual myth is still alive & well - beneficiaries are lazy layabouts who don't want to work'. Dodgy

Greed is certainly a very damaging  factor; Neo Liberalism is based on it, to the detriment of this & virtually every country which foolishly adopted it. Angry

I said "There are people who need and deserve benefits to survive ..... ". And the fact is that there ARE far too many whose laziness and greed is just taking money away from where it's really needed

Not all beneficiaries are lazy layabouts by any means, but there are plenty who are just taking all they can get and giving nothing back to society. Meanwhile those of us who do pay the taxes that are used to pay for it all are not seeing the societal benefits that we should. If money was freed up across the board within fairer systems where everyone gives what they should and doesn't try to rip everyone off, maybe we could then afford the levels of health etc that we theoretically have paid for. You expect the hard working "rich" - whoever they actually are - to fork out more tax, just so it can be wasted away and not used for the best benefit of society as a whole.

I'm well aware you used the usual disclaimer of there being 'some who really need help in the form of benefits.' But as usual, while also disparaging all those on benefits by implying that there are plenty who could do better.

There aren't 'plenty' - too many people are seriously struggling these days.


I'm really not at all sure exactly why it is that some people insist that people aren't contributing to society, are effectively 'giving nothing back' since I'd imagine that those cast aside & continually disparaged by society might just possibly be ever so slightly reluctant to do so & with some justification.

But the reality is that almost everyone does in some way contribute to society, however small that may be.

And seriously - 'the hard working rich?!'  Big Grin No doubt working out exactly how much more they can squeeze from their tenants without them giving notice  could be a tricky thing to work out for those landlords.. Rolleyes Big Grin

As it happens though I'd rather see us all pay more tax; imo we should as far as possible emulate those Nordic countries which have high taxes which cover things like health & education etc. etc. & whose people are invariably at the top of those happiest people surveys.
in order to be old & wise, you must first be young & stupid. (I'm still working on that.)


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RE: ACT, National could govern...the stuff of nightmares - by Lilith7 - 20-05-2023, 07:25 PM

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