09-11-2023, 03:27 PM
(09-11-2023, 02:54 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote:(27-10-2023, 09:29 AM)SueDonim Wrote: It's a shame that people are getting wound up about this. ACT is not proposing to get rid of the Treaty (they probably can't anyway) but wish to properly define the principles, write the relevant legislation then have a referendum to ratify it. See https://www.act.org.nz/act_proposes_refe...governance. Sounds pretty reasonable to me, especially considering how damage and bad feeling are growing with the indiscriminate application of it at the moment. It wouldn't be so bad if there was genuine good coming out of settlements, but so often the leaders get all the flash cars and the people they supposedly represent still wallow in poverty and we carry on as before with Maori being disproportionate in all the negative statistics when they shouldn't be. Something needs to change and this proposed process is at least an effort to get it right.Agreed, all the maori elite behind each iwi get good payouts, own a bunch of assets and living the good life, meanwhile all the maori dont have access to their land and the iwi are not building homes for their own people.
Quite sad really.
They should all be in a good position with the amount of wealth the iwi hold.
Here you go - a few facts, actual facts rather than the BS most try to peddle.

https://teara.govt.nz/en/death-rates-and...expectancy
Health
"The Social Security Act 1938, which improved the access of those on low incomes to education, health and housing, contributed to improvements in Māori life expectancy, but Māori continued to die much earlier than non-Māori.
After the Second World War many Māori moved to towns and cities, where there was better health care. Māori incomes rose and living conditions improved. Māori also benefited from health and social policies. Life expectancy increased, and became closer to that of Pākehā. In 2013 it was still lower than Pākehā – 77 for women and 73 for men compared to 84 for non-Māori women and 80 for non-Māori"
https://journal.nzma.org.nz/journal-arti...pen-access
Health
"Rangatahi Māori—Māori youth—experience higher rates of mental health distress and addictions compared to young Pākehā—New Zealanders of European descent.
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There are growing numbers of rangatahi Māori who report depressive symptoms (28% in 2019 vs 14% in 2012).
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Māori are more likely to be hospitalised for intentional self-harm
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and more likely to use substances than non-Māori.
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Despite higher reported rates of mental health distress, there are treatment inequities for Māori compared to Pākehā.
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Lee and colleagues found that Māori adults are more likely to report “psychological distress” and be at higher risk of developing anxiety and depression, but Pākehā are more likely to report a clinical diagnosis of depression or anxiety.
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Māori youth are less likely to receive medications (e.g., antidepressants) compared with non-Māori youth.
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Māori are more likely, however, to be admitted to hospital, readmitted after discharge, secluded and treated under the compulsory assessment and treatment protocols and in forensic services.
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Overall, previous findings suggest that Māori are not able to access the services that they need to be properly assessed and diagnosed."
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/4802...ori%20kids.
Poverty
"About 187,300 Kiwi children live in poverty, 16 percent of the population. That was well below the 2021 target of 18.8 percent, a clear achievement - on paper.
But a demographic breakdown raises questions. Just 14 percent of Pākehā kids were living in poverty, compared to 17.8 percent of Māori kids. That gap isn't new, Eivers said, but that does not make it any less alarming.
"That's going to impact the whole of society," she said.
"It'll cost more in the health system, more in the education system, and those young ones will, as they grow into adults, be disenfranchised and won't be able to live their best lives."
An end to the deliberate race baiting is called for.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/499...emn-racism
"In an open letter, Māori and community leaders are calling for an end to a "divisive style of politics".
"Racism, in any form, should have no place in our elections," the letter starts.
"Leaders, whether it is within your iwi, your whānau or of a political party, have a responsibility to call out racism and race-baiting and publicly condemn it.
"Race-baiting for votes is not new here in Aotearoa. But this election, the dog whistling and the outright public displays of racism from political candidates have increased to unacceptable levels.
The letter acknowledged Labour Party leader Chris Hipkins calling for the end to race-baiting in election campaigns.
It also acknowledged the Green Party and Te Pāti Māori for "their anti-racism positions and respect the words of Kiingi Tuheitia Pōtatau Te Wherowhero IIV, who, at his Koroneihana called for political parties to stop using Māori people as a political football".
"It is racist to call for Māori, elite or not, to be cut out and buried."
It said it was "ignorant" to call the signing of Te Tiriti "a wee experiment".
"And it is ignorant to think you have a right to erase Te Tiriti from legislation and rewrite it in your own words."
The letter said Māori deserved better from those who wanted to lead the country."
in order to be old & wise, you must first be young & stupid. (I'm still working on that.)