13-12-2023, 03:35 PM
zqwerty, I was responding to the OP article and not your reddit story. However, to responds to yours, I still maintain that if we're killing a baby due to it being too difficult to raise them, there is as much moral justification for doing it in-utero as there is for doing it when the baby is 6 months old.
Oh-hunnihunni, a 6 month old is a parasite in every sense of the word. A little bit of symbiosis starts to develop from perhaps around 2 years old, however children remain pretty parasitic until they move out at 17 - whenever years old. A six-month old also cannot survive on their own without intensive parental care.
As to the "offspring of other animals" argument, if you're suggesting that animals and humans should have equal rights, that is different argument. But can I then assume that you never swat an annoying mosquito nor would ever consider using a lethal rat trap? Or are you instead suggesting that humans should be able to be swatted / trapped & killed in the same way as we do to mosquitoes and rats? In any case, if "we do it to animals" is a valid moral argument, that again supports my assertion that if it is OK to kill defective humans in-utero, is equally justifiable to kill a defective baby once it is born.
Lilith, it has nothing to do with men wanting to control women. I think you'll find that there are many many women that find abortion morally objectionable and effectively 100% of men who consider abortion to be murder also believe that fathers should all be held responsible (financially and otherwise) for any children they help produce. And yes, I get that not all fathers can be tracked down by the time a baby is born, however that is no more justification for killing the child before it is born than it is for killing the child after it is born.
Also, I already addressed the "clump of cells" argument, although I realise you're not going to change your mind as doing so forces you to acknowledge the repugnant fact that you advocate for the killing of humans. Almost 60% of US abortions occur after 6 weeks, by which stage the "clump of cells" has a beating heart and obvious head. By 8 weeks, the embryo clearly looks like a baby, with arms and legs etc. https://abort73.com/abortion/abortion_pictures/
Oh-hunnihunni, a 6 month old is a parasite in every sense of the word. A little bit of symbiosis starts to develop from perhaps around 2 years old, however children remain pretty parasitic until they move out at 17 - whenever years old. A six-month old also cannot survive on their own without intensive parental care.
As to the "offspring of other animals" argument, if you're suggesting that animals and humans should have equal rights, that is different argument. But can I then assume that you never swat an annoying mosquito nor would ever consider using a lethal rat trap? Or are you instead suggesting that humans should be able to be swatted / trapped & killed in the same way as we do to mosquitoes and rats? In any case, if "we do it to animals" is a valid moral argument, that again supports my assertion that if it is OK to kill defective humans in-utero, is equally justifiable to kill a defective baby once it is born.
Lilith, it has nothing to do with men wanting to control women. I think you'll find that there are many many women that find abortion morally objectionable and effectively 100% of men who consider abortion to be murder also believe that fathers should all be held responsible (financially and otherwise) for any children they help produce. And yes, I get that not all fathers can be tracked down by the time a baby is born, however that is no more justification for killing the child before it is born than it is for killing the child after it is born.
Also, I already addressed the "clump of cells" argument, although I realise you're not going to change your mind as doing so forces you to acknowledge the repugnant fact that you advocate for the killing of humans. Almost 60% of US abortions occur after 6 weeks, by which stage the "clump of cells" has a beating heart and obvious head. By 8 weeks, the embryo clearly looks like a baby, with arms and legs etc. https://abort73.com/abortion/abortion_pictures/