(13-12-2023, 04:11 PM)zqwerty Wrote: The people that believe in "right to life" should also make sure that the now surviving children who reach full term have an adequate upbringing to reach adult-hood instead of living a life of poverty and neglect which was one of the possible reasons not to want them in the first place.
The so called Christian concern about the abortion issue is much more about making sure there are downtrodden desperate ill-educated workers to service the labour force.
Yep, that & controlling people, especially women. Which is very much what the Abrahamic religions are about, to various degrees.
Incidentally, the question of poverty & continuing to help those in need after giving birth rather than aborting is very well covered by a poster, Geminigirl, who is pro life but but not pro forcing anyone to not have an abortion. She works among poor people so has a good understanding of what's involved & says she's yet to see any right to birthers roll up their sellves & actually help.
https://stfuconservatives.tumblr.com/post/9021225903
And then there's the question of body autonomy. (American spelling)
http://misandry-mermaid.tumblr.com/post/...tonomy-its
"There is a concept called body autonomy. Its generally considered a human right. Bodily autonomy means a person has control over who or what uses their body, for what, and for how long. Its why you can’t be forced to donate blood, tissue, or organs. Even if you are dead. Even if you’d save or improve 20 lives. It’s why someone can’t touch you, have sex with you, or use your body in any way without your continuous consent.
A fetus is using someone’s body parts. Therefore under bodily autonomy, it is there by permission, not by right. It needs a persons continuous consent. If they deny and withdraw their consent, the pregnant person has the right to remove them from that moment. A fetus is equal in this regard because if I need someone else’s body parts to live, they can also legally deny me their use.
By saying a fetus has a right to someone’s body parts until it’s born, despite the pregnant person’s wishes, you are doing two things.
1. Granting a fetus more rights to other people’s bodies than any born person.
2. Awarding a pregnant person fewer rights to their body than a corpse."
in order to be old & wise, you must first be young & stupid. (I'm still working on that.)