I'm Sure This is Happening in NZ as Well

[king1]

So the copyright/attribution issue is something that the Admin/Mod team are considering, we have been having a bit of a discussion about this and whether it could cause liability issues for us down the track.

My personal feeling on the matter is it won't be a problem based on this 



I would say we are covered by Criticism or review  AND Reporting current events as long as no-one is trying to misrepresent ownership, and no-one is wholesale stealing large chunks of anyone's creative works.

But, I personally would like to see more use of the Quote boxes (third button from end in the editor) including a link for attribution, so it is very clear that it is a quote from someone else and not the posters' own words.

We will work up a rule/policy/announcement on this in due course, once all mods/admin have had some input...

Your quote is from Copyright Licensing Limited who is a reputable source but whose business is charging educational institutions for licences to copy journal articles for tutors to give to students (eg class sets). So their comments are correct from this perspective, but may not be exactly right for the forum situation. Just as Media Copyright Agency (https://mediacopyrightagency.co.nz/#) sells licences to large organisations who send out media monitoring emails to provide a current awareness service to staff. Relevant in that they relate to news media articles rather than journals, but still different from application of the rules to forum use.

The thing that I can see with media websites is that their publication of articles includes layout, illustration and advertising that are lost to the reader when the text is copied. Some or all of those aspects may include copyright that belongs to someone other than the actual publication source.

You will need to keep it simple. Possibly your best bet is to simply play it safe by saying copying should be limited to a sentence or paragraph to accompany discussion, or to do it on a case by case, source by source basis and ask posters to declare what rule is being used when they post long tracts of copyright text. I had a quick look at some of the other forums I know and none seem to have any copyright rules apart from claiming their own on what is posted, but in the other forums I look at I don't recall seeing any widespread copy and paste of whole articles either. Most people seem to provide links to what they want to highlight.

They appear to be a non-profit...

We are a not-for-profit organisation, jointly owned by the Publishers Association of New Zealand (PANZ) and the New Zealand Society of Authors (NZSA).

Copyright Licensing New Zealand is the sole, recognised Reproduction Rights Organisation (RRO) in New Zealand for text-based copyright material and a member of the global body, the International Federation of Reproduction Rights Organisations (IFRRO). For more information on the Reproduction Rights Organisations we work with click here.
https://www.copyright.co.nz/about/about-us

They also provide this PDF on the subject of fair dealing
https://www.copyright.co.nz/Downloads/As...ealand.pdf

if I follow that through I progress this way...

• The Copyright Act specifies certain circumstances where you can use all or a substantial part of a copyright work without the copyright owner’s permission. 
  

These exceptions from infringement include:
• the “fair dealing” exceptions outlined in this information sheet;

A “fair dealing” with copyright material does not infringe copyright if it is for the following purposes:
• reporting current events.


There is a further breakdown of considerations in determining 'fair' (which is untested in NZ courts).  I read this situation as there is no commercial incentive to copy, and we're not talking about someone's thesis here, so no specialized knowledge being obtained, it's mainly just clickbait, not a book - for the paywalled stuff there could be an argument against it but otherwise it is already freely and publicly available online, and Lilith7 always attributes the source ...   


What is your take on this?