15-05-2025, 12:15 PM
(15-05-2025, 11:55 AM)zqwerty Wrote: It's very simple if you banish people from society effectively by taking away the right to vote you just create more problems.
Nobody is saying that being imprisoned for committing crimes is breaching human rights I don't know where you are getting that from, since being children we learn that doing wrong will result in punishment and as an adult deprivation of liberty by a lawful method is a valid punishment not an offense against human rights.
I am saying that imprisonment is breaching human rights. It indisputably breaches more than five of the 30 articles in the Declaration of Human Rights (freedom of movement, freedom of association, etc.).
We are (mostly) all OK with those breaches because they're a justified consequence to the actions of the criminal, and you're obviously OK with most of those breaches too, given that you don't even see them as a breach. My point is that, if we're OK with those rights being breached, you can no longer argue against the removal of voting rights simply from a "its a breach of human rights" viewpoint.
And yes, I agree with harm_less that imprisonment is absolutely a temporary banishment from society. They are still people, they are still afforded some level of dignity and care, however they're very much banished and a lot about prison is extremely undignified (e.g. adults being given a bedtime, no choice as to what they wear or eat etc.). To continue to single out the right to vote seems to be a case of not seeing the forest for the trees.