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(15-05-2025, 03:45 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Thing is, we need immigration. To fill the jobs we don't want to do, to fill the houses we don't want to live in, and to have the babies we don't want to have.

It really is about ourselves. Something we are very reluctant to come to terms with...

Politicians tell us we need immigration for those reasons, and they get away with their claims because it often does "fix" those problems in the very short term, however it mostly makes things worse in the long run.

With regard to jobs, if a fresh batch of immigrants wasn't always available, employers would be forced to offer more and they'd also have to invest in better technology to enable their employees to be more productive.  Also, a larger population requires more services, so if we're constantly importing immigrants to serve the population we have, that increases the population, so we then need more immigrants to serve the additional population, which increases the population which means that we need more immigrants...

As to housing, last time I checked, the problem was not enough housing rather than not enough potential occupants (saying we need immigrants to fill our houses makes it sound like you're feeling sorry for landlords who aren't able to charge as much as they'd like to which I'm very confident isn't your view on the matter).  Immigration has placed huge pressures on our housing supply, and is absolutely the number reason NZ house prices are so expensive: "greedy property investors" are only able to sell for big profits because more and more people are competing for housing.  We're told that we need immigrants to help build the new houses we need, but, just like my previous point, more immigrants need more houses, so importing them to build the houses we need means we need more house built...

Having babies we don't want to have: yes, birth rates were declining prior to the onset of mass immigration, however mass immigration has made it a lot worse.  So many people of child-bearing age these days are choosing to delay and limit the number of kids they have, or not have kids at all, due to housing/general cost of living affordability issues, with mass immigration being one of the prime reasons for those cost increases.

In closing, I'm not against all immigration, however it should be massively reduced and waaaay more targeted.  E.g. if we have a shortage of doctors, import overseas doctors, but import doctors that will actually be able to work here as a doctor, rather than someone whose overseas training isn't recognised here and they're realistically never going to be able to complete the necessary retraining, so will end up just driving a taxi or doing manual labour.  Don't allow thousands of "students" into do bogus "business studies" diplomas, who then qualify for residency after being here for several years.  And the thing is, I know really lovely immigrants who got in via both of those two routes, so it isn't that I just "hate foreigners".  It is just that we're all (except for the elite) paying the price for the mass immigration, and that price is increased time on waiting lists, more traffic, higher prices, stagnated wage growth etc.
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Messages In This Thread
This is a fantastic idea - by heisenberg - 14-05-2025, 03:20 PM
RE: This is a fantastic idea - by Oh_hunnihunni - 14-05-2025, 04:27 PM
RE: This is a fantastic idea - by heisenberg - 15-05-2025, 05:27 AM
RE: This is a fantastic idea - by king1 - 15-05-2025, 07:59 AM
RE: This is a fantastic idea - by Oh_hunnihunni - 15-05-2025, 08:56 AM
RE: This is a fantastic idea - by Praktica - 14-05-2025, 05:10 PM
RE: This is a fantastic idea - by Oh_hunnihunni - 14-05-2025, 06:20 PM
RE: This is a fantastic idea - by dken31 - 15-05-2025, 10:58 AM
RE: This is a fantastic idea - by dken31 - 15-05-2025, 11:28 AM
RE: This is a fantastic idea - by zqwerty - 15-05-2025, 11:48 AM
RE: This is a fantastic idea - by heisenberg - 16-05-2025, 07:27 AM
RE: This is a fantastic idea - by Lilith7 - 15-05-2025, 03:39 PM
RE: This is a fantastic idea - by Oh_hunnihunni - 15-05-2025, 03:45 PM
RE: This is a fantastic idea - by dken31 - 15-05-2025, 04:29 PM
RE: This is a fantastic idea - by Lilith7 - 15-05-2025, 05:45 PM
RE: This is a fantastic idea - by Oh_hunnihunni - 15-05-2025, 05:50 PM
RE: This is a fantastic idea - by C_T_Russell - 15-05-2025, 09:29 PM

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