(12-09-2025, 10:51 AM)harm_less Wrote: His killing was not unexpected. His rhetoric served to put a huge target on his back and yesterday somebody took aim at it.
With no suspect yet identified or apprehended it's difficult to judge what motives were actually involved but with the depth of political polarisation currently at play in the US possibilities are widespread.
Perhaps a professional hit for political gain? It has taken the focus off of Epstein issue after all.
A foreign actor is another aspect to consider. The likely aftermath of this may well be a destabilising influence on the US political landscape.
Or it was just somebody with a high level of firearms skills that was fed up with the continual diatribe that was Charlie Kirk's MO.
A collection of his public statements...
It's pretty easy to find where the statements in this list are analysed and commented on in context. Mostly in the context of reporting or paraphrasing the statements of others and/or questioning what extremists were saying. Posting something like this, especially without showing its source, is fueling the fire big time and is totally unacceptable.
You say " His killing was not unexpected". Why on earth would it be expected? There has been a lot of criticism of the restriction of "free speech" from those who didn't like their heroes being stood down from trendy TV shows when their remarks overstepped the respect that was due to someone who had just been murdered. Yes, MURDERED. Simply because he was brave enough to question. If you want left-wing free speech, then you need to give the right an equal level of respect.
And "His rhetoric served to put a huge target on his back and yesterday somebody took aim at it". Really? His rhetoric was simply to question some of the extremism we are seeing. Yes, he was very religious and in so being had some attitudes and beliefs that sat outside what most of us would agree with, but his objective was debate. To question. To get people to start thinking for themselves. To question how stupid some of today's rhetoric and protest actually is. He wasn't promoting it. Just trying to get people to see sense.
Nonie of this is/was about right v. left, but about extremism v. centrism. I certainly disagreed with some of the comments he did make and what his basic beliefs were, especially on the religious front, but he had every right to say to what he said, and DID NOT DESERVE TO DIE for it.
(14-09-2025, 10:44 AM)heisenberg Wrote:(14-09-2025, 10:38 AM)Agent_24 Wrote: Well of course, but right-wingers like heisenberg can never admit they're wrong, so they have to fall back on any tenuous excuse they can possibly find (or just fabricate) to justify why it's someone else's fault.
right wingers......sure
i have posted this before and was completely honest
Great to see that you are so well balanced. I did a different one of those surveys a while ago and came out slightly left, which surprised me. But slightly "anything" is fine. It's those in the far corners that are the problem and are unable to see the tipping of the scales.