11-03-2022, 06:42 AM
i see some parallels between the russia/ukraine, and the Ireland/england relationship.
and to a degree the palestinian/israeli question.
russia has a long and complicated relationship with the ukraine going back centuries.
i think the russians actually paid for a large portion of ukraine in the 16th century?
it could even be said that ukraine annexed russia, it being an economic powerhouse back then,
and kiev well established as a city before moscow.
it was russia that took the crimea creating a good chunk of todays ukraine.
but by the 1800's ukraine was part of russian empire.
it wasnt until the 1917 turbulence did the ukraine declare itself sovereign from russia
and the russians took it back off them soon as the revolution was over.
i think kruschev was ukrainian?
what really drew the ukraines together as an entity was when the russians allowed 6 million of its population to starve to death in the 30's.
interesting side note the ukrainians were instrumental in the formation of the UN
it seems cut and dried to us, russia bad, leave independent ukraine alone, but there is so much more to it.
russia built the ukraine with russian rubles, and along with the austrians kept it until the communists got there.
in russian minds they have a legitimate claim to it.
and to a degree the palestinian/israeli question.
russia has a long and complicated relationship with the ukraine going back centuries.
i think the russians actually paid for a large portion of ukraine in the 16th century?
it could even be said that ukraine annexed russia, it being an economic powerhouse back then,
and kiev well established as a city before moscow.
it was russia that took the crimea creating a good chunk of todays ukraine.
but by the 1800's ukraine was part of russian empire.
it wasnt until the 1917 turbulence did the ukraine declare itself sovereign from russia
and the russians took it back off them soon as the revolution was over.
i think kruschev was ukrainian?
what really drew the ukraines together as an entity was when the russians allowed 6 million of its population to starve to death in the 30's.
interesting side note the ukrainians were instrumental in the formation of the UN
it seems cut and dried to us, russia bad, leave independent ukraine alone, but there is so much more to it.
russia built the ukraine with russian rubles, and along with the austrians kept it until the communists got there.
in russian minds they have a legitimate claim to it.
So if you disappear out of view You know I will never say goodbye