Bye B....

[Zurdo]

I might get to sell them some tyres...always a positive somewhere.

Anyway, he spells it tires, so a cut and paste from some american propaganda site.

[king1]

As far as firearms register goes it could be done by a few a volunteers for zip, yes zero yes free. One simple xcel  file sort column A firearms owner saved on the cloud  enter in the name of the firearms owner, licence number, brand of gun, model and serial number. Info emailed in by the owners. Police could access it if they pay a fee which would be what a gun licence will cost maybe $700 which would go to the about four data input volunteers. Data entry people in my plan would have to be firearms owners and users of at least 20 years, born in New Zealand preferably with both parents both born in NZ.
Now no one knows how many guns are in new Zealand but we would probaly have rifle ownership comparable to US and Finland.
I await the negative internet bullies comments to my proposal.

Self monitoring doesn't always work out that well, it would be especially problematic in this case where there are potential legal issues, and reliable and accurate information requirements etc etc.  Not sure volunteer's could be relied upon or used in this situation... and TBH the government could mandate it if they wanted and save themselves the $700 fee.  It needs to happen imho but obviously costs are going to have to be passed on and recovered...

[king1]

I might get to sell them some tyres...always a positive somewhere.

Anyway, he spells it tires, so a cut and paste from some american propaganda site.

A T shirt apparently
https://www.ironhorsehelmets.com/life-is...n-t-shirt/

[zkted]

As far as firearms register goes it could be done by a few a volunteers for zip, yes zero yes free. One simple xcel  file sort column A firearms owner saved on the cloud  enter in the name of the firearms owner, licence number, brand of gun, model and serial number. Info emailed in by the owners. Police could access it if they pay a fee which would be what a gun licence will cost maybe $700 which would go to the about four data input volunteers. Data entry people in my plan would have to be firearms owners and users of at least 20 years, born in New Zealand preferably with both parents both born in NZ.
Now no one knows how many guns are in new Zealand but we would probaly have rifle ownership comparable to US and Finland.
I await the negative internet bullies comments to my proposal.

Self monitoring doesn't always work out that well, it would be especially problematic in this case where there are potential legal issues, and reliable and accurate information requirements etc etc.  Not sure volunteer's could be relied upon or used in this situation... and TBH the government could mandate it if they wanted and save themselves the $700 fee.  It needs to happen imho but obviously costs are going to have to be passed on and recovered...

It could be done for zero cost use volunters

[king1]

Self monitoring doesn't always work out that well, it would be especially problematic in this case where there are potential legal issues, and reliable and accurate information requirements etc etc.  Not sure volunteer's could be relied upon or used in this situation... and TBH the government could mandate it if they wanted and save themselves the $700 fee.  It needs to happen imho but obviously costs are going to have to be passed on and recovered...

It could be done for zero cost use volunters

Could something as important as the NZ Firearm register realistically be entrusted to volunteers? The potential for exploitation or manipulation of the volunteers by unsavoury individuals would be huge...

[zkted]

It could be done for zero cost use volunters

Could something as important as the NZ Firearm register realistically be entrusted to volunteers? The potential for exploitation or manipulation of the volunteers by unsavoury individuals would be huge...

As long as they were born here and fit to hold a gun licence they will be fine wont require any further vetting. The address of the gun owner wouldnt be on the register the polezei could keep that info. What could go wrong? the volunteer not entering in the emails or entered false info hardly likely is it. Still the register would be better than no register at like the monent.
Polezei would get limited access to the register unless they paid for it.
In fact there is nothing stopping someone starting the register right now on their own bat according to my lawyer niece. It does not need any approval.. Willing sender willing data entry.

[harm_less]

Now no one knows how many guns are in new Zealand but we would probaly have rifle ownership comparable to US and Finland.
I await the negative internet bullies comments to my proposal.

You've got to be dreaming mate. The gun ownership situation in the US is absolutely huge. I've worked with US expats in the oil industry and their boasts of the extent of their and their mate's gun collections are eye watering. SM posts of families surrounded by their home's armoury would tend to support this.

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As far as firearms register goes it could be done by a few a volunteers for zip, yes zero yes free. One simple xcel  file sort column A firearms owner saved on the cloud  enter in the name of the firearms owner, licence number, brand of gun, model and serial number. Info emailed in by the owners. Police could access it if they pay a fee which would be what a gun licence will cost maybe $700 which would go to the about four data input volunteers. Data entry people in my plan would have to be firearms owners and users of at least 20 years, born in New Zealand preferably with both parents both born in NZ.
Now no one knows how many guns are in new Zealand but we would probaly have rifle ownership comparable to US and Finland.
I await the negative internet bullies comments to my proposal.

Self monitoring doesn't always work out that well, it would be especially problematic in this case where there are potential legal issues, and reliable and accurate information requirements etc etc.  Not sure volunteer's could be relied upon or used in this situation... and TBH the government could mandate it if they wanted and save themselves the $700 fee.  It needs to happen imho but obviously costs are going to have to be passed on and recovered...

There's also a major security issue with compiling a list of firearm locations if done by some volunteer contributor means. A potential shopping list for the crims?

[king1]

Now no one knows how many guns are in new Zealand but we would probaly have rifle ownership comparable to US and Finland.
I await the negative internet bullies comments to my proposal.

You've got to be dreaming mate. The gun ownership situation in the US is absolutely huge. I've worked with US expats in the oil industry and their boasts of the extent of their and their mate's gun collections are eye watering. SM posts of families surrounded by their home's armoury would tend to support this.

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Self monitoring doesn't always work out that well, it would be especially problematic in this case where there are potential legal issues, and reliable and accurate information requirements etc etc.  Not sure volunteer's could be relied upon or used in this situation... and TBH the government could mandate it if they wanted and save themselves the $700 fee.  It needs to happen imho but obviously costs are going to have to be passed on and recovered...

There's also a major security issue with compiling a list of firearm locations if done by some volunteer contributor means. A potential shopping list for the crims?

agreed, that is probably the one major reason why a volunteer led register won't work.  Most firearms owners won't not be trusting enough to believe that the organisers can and will keep it secure...  None of them will want to make themselves targets...

[zkted]

You've got to be dreaming mate. The gun ownership situation in the US is absolutely huge. I've worked with US expats in the oil industry and their boasts of the extent of their and their mate's gun collections are eye watering. SM posts of families surrounded by their home's armoury would tend to support this.

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There's also a major security issue with compiling a list of firearm locations if done by some volunteer contributor means. A potential shopping list for the crims?

agreed, that is probably the one major reason why a volunteer led register won't work.  Most firearms owners won't not be trusting enough to believe that the organisers can and will keep it secure...  None of them will want to make themselves targets...

Does not have to be secure, no addresses anyway. I

[king1]

agreed, that is probably the one major reason why a volunteer led register won't work.  Most firearms owners won't not be trusting enough to believe that the organisers can and will keep it secure...  None of them will want to make themselves targets...

Does not have to be secure, no addresses anyway. I

Pretty sure most New Zealanders will want Firearms data to be secure, probably the government as well.  There are other ways people can get addresses, you would have leave out names and any other personally identifiable information to make it safe, but by doing so it won't fulfil its intended purpose... it will be a pointless exercise...

The only way I can see it done safely and usefully is if it is within a government department, presumably the same one that issues the firearm licenses

[zkted]

You've got to be dreaming mate. The gun ownership situation in the US is absolutely huge. I've worked with US expats in the oil industry and their boasts of the extent of their and their mate's gun collections are eye watering. SM posts of families surrounded by their home's armoury would tend to support this.

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There's also a major security issue with compiling a list of firearm locations if done by some volunteer contributor means. A potential shopping list for the crims?

agreed, that is probably the one major reason why a volunteer led register won't work.  Most firearms owners won't not be trusting enough to believe that the organisers can and will keep it secure...  None of them will want to make themselves targets...

I said rifles and I have seen huge gun collections in NZ as well and per population not total.  One chick I was rooting in Okaramio 45 years ago father had a huge amoury he specialised in all models of 303 and dozens of muskets. I got the machinists in the RNZAF to machine him an accurate 45 cal die he used to push his lead balls/slugs thru then made them the save weight. I loved firing those muskets but they made a lot of smoke and kicked pretty bad worse than my 8mm mauser.
Register does not have be secure because the guns are secure. Like I said for the thousandth time no address.
I am going to see my local MP North Harbor unfortunately a labor MP but she can refer my idea on. So thanks for the negative comments it just helps me more. Just like the people who said I couldnt fit my 8.7 litre engine in my camper bus

[harm_less]

I might get to sell them some tyres...always a positive somewhere.

Anyway, he spells it tires, so a cut and paste from some american propaganda site.

That or he's an EV owner. Similar retaliation is mentioned when fossil fueled vehicles restrict access to public chargers (commonly referred to as being ICEd) which is often done intentionally, especially by oversized pick-up trucks in the US.

[zkted]

I might get to sell them some tyres...always a positive somewhere.

Anyway, he spells it tires, so a cut and paste from some american propaganda site.

That or he's an EV owner. Similar retaliation is mentioned when fossil fueled vehicles restrict access to public chargers (commonly referred to as being ICEd) which is often done intentionally, especially by oversized pick-up trucks in the US.

EV owner now that is an insult for a diesel man like myself. Why wouldnt I buy an EV because in about 6 years the battery will be toast and the cost to replace it would more expensive than the fuel I would have used. One thing I would like is to for the EVs to pay RUC and by weight.

[harm_less]

That or he's an EV owner. Similar retaliation is mentioned when fossil fueled vehicles restrict access to public chargers (commonly referred to as being ICEd) which is often done intentionally, especially by oversized pick-up trucks in the US.

EV owner now that is an insult for a diesel man like myself. Why wouldnt I buy an EV because in about 6 years the battery will be toast and the cost to replace it would more expensive than the fuel I would have used. One thing I would like is to for the EVs to pay RUC and by weight.

In 6 years time (and well beyond) my EV will still be performing fine whereas your diseasel will be a relic struggling to find fuel at an acceptable price, if at all, that is if it is still economical to register it.

RUCs are scheduled to be implemented on EVs in March 2024 and by my reckoning that will coincide with a distance based RUC charge for all road vehicles probably remotely monitored and automatically levied. There are changes afoot that will likely address RUC dodgers, unjustly charged RUCs on nonroad petrol use (power tools, boats, off road vehicles), fairly charging hybrids, differentiation of low emission vehicles for incentivisation purposes and disincentivising high emission ICE vehicles and just general streamlining of RUC collection. Easy to tweak charges based on individual vehicle weights but be aware that my 380km range EV weighs less than most double cab utes so be careful what you wish for.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Just so long as those baskets in their offices keep their sticky fingers off my scoot, I'll be happy.

I would love it though if the same baskets in charge of roading got to ride one on our falling to bits footpaths. An hour or so on our wheels might shake some sense into them...

[Kenj]

We, the Mobility Scooter users, may have to have a Hikoi to The Beehive to protest against RUC on our beasts.

I can just see it, tents set up on parliament forecourt, us oldies whizzing down the children's slide, then the police clearing us out using teargas.

Or am I using feeble wit here?

Ken

[king1]

We, the Mobility Scooter users, may have to have a Hikoi to The Beehive to protest against RUC on our beasts.

I can just see it, tents set up on parliament forecourt, us oldies whizzing down the children's slide, then the police clearing us out using teargas.

Or am I using feeble wit here?

Ken

I'm seeing hundreds of Mobility Scooters shutting down the Auckland harbour bridge in protest... Might happen one day...

[Oh_hunnihunni]

When I was living in Blenheim years ago, and scooting even back then, there was a woman who did an endurance run on hers down the coast road in the direction of Kaikoura. She had a support van with replacement batteries, not sure how far she got but it made the news...

There are increasing numbers of us opting to use these instead of relying on other folk to shop for us, or cart us around, especially with an aging population. I do wish designers would build in better suspension though, longer trips are hell on the bones. But even so, I am so blessed to have mine, it is my freedom...

[Kenj]

When I was living in Blenheim years ago, and scooting even back then, there was a woman who did an endurance run on hers down the coast road in the direction of Kaikoura. She had a support van with replacement batteries, not sure how far she got but it made the news...

There are increasing numbers of us opting to use these instead of relying on other folk to shop for us, or cart us around, especially with an aging population. I do wish designers would build in better suspension though, longer trips are hell on the bones. But even so, I am so blessed to have mine, it is my freedom...

it is my freedom...    That says it all! Totally agree with you. 
 
Ken

[nzoomed]

EV owner now that is an insult for a diesel man like myself. Why wouldnt I buy an EV because in about 6 years the battery will be toast and the cost to replace it would more expensive than the fuel I would have used. One thing I would like is to for the EVs to pay RUC and by weight.

In 6 years time (and well beyond) my EV will still be performing fine whereas your diseasel will be a relic struggling to find fuel at an acceptable price, if at all, that is if it is still economical to register it.

RUCs are scheduled to be implemented on EVs in March 2024 and by my reckoning that will coincide with a distance based RUC charge for all road vehicles probably remotely monitored and automatically levied. There are changes afoot that will likely address RUC dodgers, unjustly charged RUCs on nonroad petrol use (power tools, boats, off road vehicles), fairly charging hybrids, differentiation of low emission vehicles for incentivisation purposes and disincentivising high emission ICE vehicles and just general streamlining of RUC collection. Easy to tweak charges based on individual vehicle weights but be aware that my 380km range EV weighs less than most double cab utes so be careful what you wish for.

Distance based RUC would probably be more fair for everybody, take the tax off the petrol and just charge per KM instead.
Weight shouldnt really come into it unless its a commercial semi truck for example.
Ideally we should be making more use of trains for freight too and get the trucks off the road.