maori party think that maori are entitled to lower retirement age

[king1]

if by that you mean avoiding conflict rather than inciting it, then most here would agree with you.

sure just look at how the left treated posie parker

your  admin have a look at how many regular posters you have, looks like a dozen at most, ever wonder why? anyone not a raving leftard gets the cool gang after them

anyone who starts and continues with childish name calling and insults, rather than focusing on the issues, gets the cool gang after them.

You've had enough hints, reminders and warnings.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

While heisenberg can be brash and undisciplined, the responses have not always been disciplined. Some of the replies were equally as bad. From raving leftards.

We are not innocents. Calling someone an incel for instance is reprehensible.

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Oh, and posie parker got exactly what she was hoping for. She is determined to be an international celebrity, and for an airhead fake, she's doing very well at achieving that status...

[zqwerty]

"Calling someone an incel for instance is reprehensible"

I didn't call him one I suggested that was a possibility as to why he was always so bitter and twisted in almost every conversation.

Lots of men have little success with women which alters their whole demeanour on life over time, hence my suggestion, I mean after all what was wrong with him constantly upping the ante and causing disputes in what has been a fairly peaceful forum up until he arrived on the scene.

I will stand by my accusation that he was a TROLL however, with all it's ramifications, because he was. It's a common internet phenomenon which occurs on many forums because there are lots of immature people who enjoy being difficult and disruptive and upsetting people, it's a childish phenomena which lots of people see in their growing children which has to be stamped out in order for them to become mature, but often is not by lax neglectful parents.

I've been on the internet since 1992 and also a parent, in my case it is my grandchild, so I instantly recognise the niggling behaviour.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

You are arrogant.

I recognise the trait, because I am too. The difference between us is I try hard not to let my arrogance get the better of me.

[zqwerty]

Ok I'm not sure that arrogant is the correct word, a tall poppy maybe, I try to be up-to-date and aware and pass on what I see, I admit I have been awake/aware as a person since very young, I used to have conversations with adults when I was very young back in England at three years old, my mother told me, my comprehension was very good at a young age, hardly a fault.

It may seem like arrogance but it's just my life truth, I think of myself as humble but well informed, sorry if that's not what you experience.

My girlfriend who is a New Zealander and is well over 60 said to me, when I told her that I had put on the Internet that story about fixing the Ferret and Angus Tait and all the rest, that I would be taken as arrogant but I said to her that it was the truth and I didn't do it to show off I just did it because it was within my capabilities and I only used my eyes not my brain to fix it whereas the Engineers pulled out the books and approached the problem in the wrong way, I was very experienced at fixing things with no info and no parts, but she still said NZers will take you as arrogant nevertheless.

I guess she was correct. Sorry.

Still glad heisenberg is gone though, arrogant or not. Who did he think he was? I am just an ordinary person, well read with some skills honed over the years by experience and bitter failures at repairing things at times. I tried to be friendly with him, I asked what music he liked, he never replied.

Over and out.

[Praktica]

Rather than calling it arrogance, i would call it self confidence, and pride in who you are. I agree that confrontation changes few minds, but unless we stand up to the thoughtless and unthinking right, they will walk all over us. We need, in fact, to do more...make them cautious about pushing their repugnant philosophies, for fear of legal or other consequences.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I hope this place isn't going to turn into a homogenous group of like minds. That is the road to stagnation.

I stand by my charge of arrogance. Arrogance lets us think we are right, challengers are wrong. It lets us solidify our position and never consider alternatives.

So what if someone stands up and calls us out? It makes us think, makes us explain, makes us flexible of thought.
So what if we don't like a challenger? If we cannot exercise discipline ourselves, the site has an Ignore function.
Banning someone is a last resort surely. And cheering when it happens is repulsive. I don't know how the decision is made here, I trust our mods, but I wouldn't trust myself to be one, because I have been there in other forums and know how difficult it can be. I do hope a few voices haven't locked heisenberg out, this one is raised in support of the man. Just as it would be for CT, dken, or any other poster who dares to challenge the resident left leaners.

We need them, if nothing else, they teach us to be disciplined when they poke us.

[Praktica]

Challenge is fine, if it's based on a carefully thought out position, and relates to the real world. Most of what CT and heisenberg are pushing is based on lies and caricatures. Should we encourage lies?

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Is that our job here? It's a forum. A forum is a place where people can speak. Controlling what they say is a dicey business. Things I consider lies might not be things you consider untrue. Requiring posts to be carefully thought out positions relating to the real world is dicey too, who is to be the judge?

Can't we just watch out for the really nasty stuff, the scams , the bots, and leave the human fools to show themselves up? Do we not have the ability to choose which thread to read? Which post to engage with? Can we not trust ourselves to just not go there? Or is it okay to chuck out a bit of fishing line and wait for a bite? Or, maybe take a wee nibble at someone else's bait?

Who's the judge?

In my opinion, there is nothing more telling than to post a thread and have it ignored. Even a single post, designed to stir up a bit of muddy water - getting nothing in return? That is way more discouraging...

[zqwerty]

But heisenberg was injecting himself into almost all conversations in a correcting diversive way hoping to annoy someone or another.

He wasn't educating he was being confrontational.

It's all very well to tolerate any point of view, but.

Can't sit on the fence always, sometimes over somethings one has to take a stand, not everything is nebulous.

[Lilith7]

I tend to agree that he was deliberately looking to stir; a differing view is no problem but he tended to go beyond that.

[king1]

For me personally, I want to give all newbies plenty of time and opportunity to adapt to our way of doing things here, and I would hope you all do as well.

We need differing points of view, conflict and difference is fine as long as the focus is on the topic of discussion, not the people...

and that includes calling people right wing trolls etc you are simply lowering yourself to their level by engaging in that sort of behaviour.

If there are issues with posts, name calling, insults, rule breaches etc, use the REPORT button to flag it...

[Zurdo]

Huh, have I missed something ?  Did he go, or was he given the boot ?

[king1]

Huh, have I missed something ?  Did he go, or was he given the boot ?

If your referring to Heisenberg, no bans have been issued

[heisenberg]

Ok I'm not sure that arrogant is the correct word, a tall poppy maybe, I try to be up-to-date and aware and pass on what I see, I admit I have been awake/aware as a person since very young, I used to have conversations with adults when I was very young back in England at three years old, my mother told me, my comprehension was very good at a young age, hardly a fault.

It may seem like arrogance but it's just my life truth, I think of myself as humble but well informed, sorry if that's not what you experience.

My girlfriend who is a New Zealander and is well over 60 said to me, when I told her that I had put on the Internet that story about fixing the Ferret and Angus Tait and all the rest, that I would be taken as arrogant but I said to her that it was the truth and I didn't do it to show off I just did it because it was within my capabilities and I only used my eyes not my brain to fix it whereas the Engineers pulled out the books and approached the problem in the wrong way, I was very experienced at fixing things with no info and no parts, but she still said NZers will take you as arrogant nevertheless.

I guess she was correct.  Sorry.

Still glad heisenberg is gone though, arrogant or not.  Who did he think he was?  I am just an ordinary person, well read with some skills honed over the years by experience and bitter failures at repairing things at times.  I tried to be friendly with him, I asked what music he liked, he never replied.

Over and out.

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I tend to agree that he was deliberately looking to stir; a differing view is no problem but he tended to go beyond that.

no i didnt 

look at every post you make.

Obviously your opinon am i not allowed to have mine or is yours the only one that counts

[heisenberg]

yea if maori kicked us all out within 10 years the ruling Maori chiefs will have enslaved most of the population and sold nz to the chinese

You would make a good slave - sour, resentful, and satisfying to whack round the ear occasionally...

Interesting how my comment was deleted by admin but this comment advocating violence towards me wasnt

my deleted comment was...........[Deleted]


double standards....like i said earlier its a bit of a left chums club in here

[zqwerty]

"i get the feeling you’re on the spectrum"

Absolutely I am but I do my best to act normally and not upset the normals.

So what music do you like, heisenberg?

By the way, "white flight" applies to South Africa rather than Zambia, but we felt it was time to leave being outnumbered 20 to 1 whereas S.A. was only 4 to 1.

There was plenty of friendly Zambians where we were but always some bad eggs, which made it a gamble with your life to stay.

I'm sure you are aware of the outsiders who can't be trusted in any society and when the Police are no longer necessarily on your side it gets scary.

[Praktica]

You would make a good slave - sour, resentful, and satisfying to whack round the ear occasionally...

Interesting how my comment was deleted by admin but this comment advocating violence towards me wasnt

my deleted comment was...........[Deleted]


double standards....like i said earlier its a bit of a left chums club in here

Oh! The injustice of it all...

[heisenberg]

So what music do you like, heisenberg?

mostly 70s rock, and also Teddy Swims at the moment

i had to google what incel was

not me i do ok with the wimmins

[zqwerty]

"not me i do ok with the wimmins"

LOL, that's a relief, at least one major problem out of the way.

I really like lots of 70's rock but don't know any Teddy Swims which I see is modern, I try to keep up but find rap too fast use of the lingo to easily comprehend and enjoy.

Not really rap but I like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HrdMylx7tQ

I listened to Teddy Swims, I liked the first song I've ever heard, not rap, it's lovely.

Love For A Minute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGqclgflFPA

Like like this very much, he can sing, lovely voice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QWZQh0YYWA

Listened more, World Class Voice thanks it's lovely to hear.