Bye B....

[zkted]

Leader of NZ commie party gone burger, I can hardly contain myself with joy.

[Kenj]

I have been waiting for your comment!

Ken

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Nx commie party? Who's that then?

[zkted]

Nx commie party?  Who's that then?

Give you a clue both party's colours are red and they both have an anthem  the red flag song. Labour commie soviet socialist CCCP. She kept saying be nice but she wasn't nice herself.
You wouldnt have thought a rural girl from Morrinsville wouldnt want to wreck farming or make gun ownership difficult but she managed both. Faux farm girl best place for her is a 700 sq meter section in a large city oh that is where she lives.

[king1]

Nx commie party?  Who's that then?

Must be these guys
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_...ew_Zealand

Interesting in the Notable Members section...  Fred Hollows

[king1]

Nx commie party?  Who's that then?

Give you a clue both party's colours are red and they both have an anthem  the red flag song. Labour commie soviet socialist CCCP. She kept saying be nice but she wasn't nice herself.
You wouldnt have thought a rural girl from Morrinsville wouldnt want to wreck farming or make gun ownership difficult but she managed both. Faux farm girl best place for her is a 700 sq meter section in a large city oh that is where she lives.

Is farming wrecked?  
As a suburbanite I see the fruit and vege prices up 23% this year and hear from foodstuffs that there supplier costs are up 20% or so - i'm thinking most farmers are creaming it at the moment... 

and making gun ownership difficult can only be a good thing for everyone, but let me know if you need an example why.

[R2x1]

Just remember that ZKTED considers Hitler to be some kind of hippy liberal.

[Garysixtyseven]

Well my lambs are only selling for $150 each yet a leg of lamb at the supermarket will cost upwards of $90 and remember there are four on each animal.

Firearms she took the easy option and went after law abiding and legally licenced owners only and not any of the illegally owned guns used almost weekly by the gangs and remember it was the police who failed all of the law by not following the laws guidelines when issuing a certain nutter with a licence.

She also kept the borders open until after her photo opportunity so letting Covid get a toehold.

Those who know me from the other pub know that I'm usually a Labour supporter but she failed to impress me with anything she did apart from all the hugs and photo ops she did those real well and failed at just about everything else. How can you lead a country when you have never had a real job and so have no life experience to call on?

[zkted]

Give you a clue both party's colours are red and they both have an anthem  the red flag song. Labour commie soviet socialist CCCP. She kept saying be nice but she wasn't nice herself.
You wouldnt have thought a rural girl from Morrinsville wouldnt want to wreck farming or make gun ownership difficult but she managed both. Faux farm girl best place for her is a 700 sq meter section in a large city oh that is where she lives.

Is farming wrecked?  
As a suburbanite I see the fruit and vege prices up 23% this year and hear from foodstuffs that there supplier costs are up 20% or so - i'm thinking most farmers are creaming it at the moment... 

and making gun ownership difficult can only be a good thing for everyone, but let me know if you need an example why.

Gun licence  is still a right just like a car licence but it just got more difficult. Some gang members have gun licences the polezei didnt approve them but they just go the courts and because its a right they can get one. Cars kill way more people than guns and even after killing someone by vehicular manslaughter after 3 years max they get their car licence back in NZ as if nothing happened. No commies are going to stop hunting and target shooting in NZ

[harm_less]

Well my lambs are only selling for $150 each yet a leg of lamb at the supermarket will cost upwards of $90 and remember there are four on each animal.

Firearms she took the easy option and went after law abiding and legally licenced owners only and not any of the illegally owned guns used almost weekly by the gangs and remember it was the police who failed all of the law by not following the laws guidelines when issuing a certain nutter with a licence.

She also kept the borders open until after her photo opportunity so letting Covid get a toehold.

Those who know me from the other pub know that I'm usually a Labour supporter but she failed to impress me with anything she did apart from all the hugs and photo ops she did those real well and failed at just about everything else. How can you lead a country when you have never had a real job and so have no life experience to call on?

For starters the front legs of a lamb are processed as shoulders so either your farming or butchering knowledge is well off the mark.

Having had a gun licence for over 30 years it has always baffled me as to why the actual firearms aren't registered, just the licence holders, so authorities have no way of knowing what amount of weaponry an individual has in their possession, if any. The firearms regulations were well overdue for an overhaul and the strong and caring leader we had in Jacinda did well to lead the charge in the action now being taken. It will make life safer for every NZer.

Like so many critics of the current government you have personalised your dissatisfaction towards Jacinda and chosen to personally attack her and her past life. It is misguided individuals with similar twisted opinions like yours that have forced the best, most caring, selfless and genuine Prime Minister this country has had in living memory to quit the job in favour of her and her family's personal wellbeing. Take a good long look at yourself and your misdirected whingings and realise that governance of our country will become truly draconian if Luxon, Seymour, (and Peters) gain leadership. You only have yourselves to blame.

[king1]

Well my lambs are only selling for $150 each yet a leg of lamb at the supermarket will cost upwards of $90 and remember there are four on each animal.

Firearms she took the easy option and went after law abiding and legally licenced owners only and not any of the illegally owned guns used almost weekly by the gangs and remember it was the police who failed all of the law by not following the laws guidelines when issuing a certain nutter with a licence.

She also kept the borders open until after her photo opportunity so letting Covid get a toehold.

Those who know me from the other pub know that I'm usually a Labour supporter but she failed to impress me with anything she did apart from all the hugs and photo ops she did those real well and failed at just about everything else. How can you lead a country when you have never had a real job and so have no life experience to call on?

From what I can gather $150 is at the high end of historical prices for lamb isn't it

The firearms issues is difficult but I imagine the logic was something like illegal firearms are usually stolen from legal owners so all firearms of the type,  legal or otherwise, should be included in the buy back...  Obviously though it is easier for police to track down the legal owners of them that have been 'tardy'

The more I think about the PMs situation over the last few years, I think she was damned either way.  There was just no way to keep everyone happy over covid response.  Some say to early, some too late.  I'm with you in that she was too late locking down and covid got a toe hold (not sure I agree it was from waiting for a photo OP though), but then there are the thousands who missed out on getting back and where locked out, who were less than happy. Damned either way...  

Same with length of lockdowns, mandatory vaccinations for specific groups and a myriad of other decisions... and this all completely ignores the impact of the idiot covid deniers, anti vaxxers and misogynistic woman haters.

on the whole I suspect she did the best anyone could under the circumstances, although I question whether a male PM would have been subjected to the same vitriol that the PM was...  This last few years is the saddest indictment on New Zealander society -  as a people we showed our true colours...

[king1]

Is farming wrecked?  
As a suburbanite I see the fruit and vege prices up 23% this year and hear from foodstuffs that there supplier costs are up 20% or so - i'm thinking most farmers are creaming it at the moment... 

and making gun ownership difficult can only be a good thing for everyone, but let me know if you need an example why.

 No commies are going to stop hunting and target shooting in NZ

it is ok, no-one is trying to do that...

[king1]

found this, on the lamb prices...

[Olive]

The more I think about the PMs situation over the last few years, I think she was damned either way.  There was just no way to keep everyone happy over covid response.  Some say to early, some too late.  I'm with you in that she was too late locking down and covid got a toe hold (not sure I agree it was from waiting for a photo OP though), but then there are the thousands who missed out on getting back and where locked out, who were less than happy. Damned either way...  

Same with length of lockdowns, mandatory vaccinations for specific groups and a myriad of other decisions... and this all completely ignores the impact of the idiot covid deniers, anti vaxxers and misogynistic woman haters.

on the whole I suspect she did the best anyone could under the circumstances, although I question whether a male PM would have been subjected to the same vitriol that the PM was...  This last few years is the saddest indictment on New Zealander society -  as a people we showed our true colours...

Exactly.   The reaction of these people has been infantile in the extreme, encouraged and exploited by the international forces of disruption that set off the occupation of the Aotearoa Parliament and the Jan 6 riot in America.   As if there is some magical way that a pandemic can be made to disappear if only the right leader is in charge i.e. male, white, straight, old, right wing.   Hold on, don't we know someone like that?   Donald Trump seems to be unemployed at present.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I am always amused by the claim 'hasn't had a real job' made by folk who have never held any kind of public office, never even had the guts to volunteer to stand for one, but who get their rocks off abusing, insulting, and running down those who not only have, but have been immensely successful in doing so...

Fuckwits.

[SueDonim]

Well my lambs are only selling for $150 each yet a leg of lamb at the supermarket will cost upwards of $90 and remember there are four on each animal.

Firearms she took the easy option and went after law abiding and legally licenced owners only and not any of the illegally owned guns used almost weekly by the gangs and remember it was the police who failed all of the law by not following the laws guidelines when issuing a certain nutter with a licence.

She also kept the borders open until after her photo opportunity so letting Covid get a toehold.

Those who know me from the other pub know that I'm usually a Labour supporter but she failed to impress me with anything she did apart from all the hugs and photo ops she did those real well and failed at just about everything else. How can you lead a country when you have never had a real job and so have no life experience to call on?

What's the profit on your lambs - after all the months of expenses that go into growing them? Probably less than the supermarket makes for some transport costs and a butcher to cut up and package over just a few days.

You are right about the firearms. Whatever happens - make it harder for law abiding people and the voters will pat you on the back for "doing something". Too bad that our problems are caused by uncontrolled crime because the money the could go on catching criminals early in their lives and sending them in a new direction gets spent on admin for gun licensing. And they're planning to do a whole lot more of that in the future. Hopefully National will move us back to a more sensible balance. And you are dead right - the police didn't follow the law in that instance but millions were spent "doing something" that was totally irrelevant.

The early days of Covid showed how things should be done. Assess the problem, seek advice from people who know about it then formulate a plan that does the best it can to answer everyone's needs. Too bad that it all fell to bits when the borders starting re-opening and there was no coordination between airlines and MIQ (why wasn't it simply a bed in MIQ for every person booked on a flight in?). We waited far too long for the vaccine to be available. The traffic light system was disbanded just as it was most needed. The whole point was to have tighter controls in places where hospitals and the health system were overwhelmed but that never happened, and just as the hospitals were most overwhelmed the whole system got dropped. And masks are no longer required at the supermarkets, etc, so everyone now gets Covid whether they want to or not - assuming that the few others like me wearing a mask prefer to stay well.

The half-hearted management of Covid was about the best of what Labour has done. The processes followed at the beginning are how EVERY decision should be made. But no, advice from experts is ignored and those in power but without any knowledge of what they are doing, and very often with few life skills, push ahead anyway. Everything else they have done has put prices up, created housing shortages, increased crime, made cost of living more expensive, and so on. One of the next things to happen is the next round of rules for new house builds is forecast to increase joinery costs by 30% just for compliance.

I hope Labour gets a good new leader, but do also hope that they don't win the election. It will take National ages to get us back on track again - as always happens they make unpopular decisions out of necessity and then get criticised and voted out. I'm old enough to see the cycle, and old enough to see that the tit for tat of always blaming the previous government is usually weighted on the side of National's unpopularity for doing what's needed to fix Labour's cockups.

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 No commies are going to stop hunting and target shooting in NZ

it is ok, no-one is trying to do that...

Yes, that is exactly what they are trying to do. Clubs are now suffering because of the cost and complexity of new laws, supposedly to make things "safer" in a sport that has always been pretty much the safest sport there is. There is almost no accident data for target shooting because there are almost no accidents. So why spend money on admin that clubs can't afford when there are more dangerous things to deal with? Hunting accidents do happen and are expensive individually, but are also very few and far between in relation to the numbers of people out there doing it.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Labour's cock ups?

Immigration out of control. Public housing non investment. Health service non investment. Let alone running down rail, roading, water, and other public infrastructures. And my personal fave, forcing councils to give away their own investments in pensioner housing to private entities in order to obtain ' a return on social investment'...

I think the cock ups are pretty evenly spread, myself.

[harm_less]

Well my lambs are only selling for $150 each yet a leg of lamb at the supermarket will cost upwards of $90 and remember there are four on each animal.

Firearms she took the easy option and went after law abiding and legally licenced owners only and not any of the illegally owned guns used almost weekly by the gangs and remember it was the police who failed all of the law by not following the laws guidelines when issuing a certain nutter with a licence.

She also kept the borders open until after her photo opportunity so letting Covid get a toehold.

Those who know me from the other pub know that I'm usually a Labour supporter but she failed to impress me with anything she did apart from all the hugs and photo ops she did those real well and failed at just about everything else. How can you lead a country when you have never had a real job and so have no life experience to call on?

What's the profit on your lambs - after all the months of expenses that go into growing them? Probably less than the supermarket makes for some transport costs and a butcher to cut up and package over just a few days.

You are right about the firearms. Whatever happens - make it harder for law abiding people and the voters will pat you on the back for "doing something". Too bad that our problems are caused by uncontrolled crime because the money the could go on catching criminals early in their lives and sending them in a new direction gets spent on admin for gun licensing. And they're planning to do a whole lot more of that in the future. Hopefully National will move us back to a more sensible balance. And you are dead right - the police didn't follow the law in that instance but millions were spent "doing something" that was totally irrelevant.

The early days of Covid showed how things should be done. Assess the problem, seek advice from people who know about it then formulate a plan that does the best it can to answer everyone's needs. Too bad that it all fell to bits when the borders starting re-opening and there was no coordination between airlines and MIQ (why wasn't it simply a bed in MIQ for every person booked on a flight in?). We waited far too long for the vaccine to be available. The traffic light system was disbanded just as it was most needed. The whole point was to have tighter controls in places where hospitals and the health system were overwhelmed but that never happened, and just as the hospitals were most overwhelmed the whole system got dropped. And masks are no longer required at the supermarkets, etc, so everyone now gets Covid whether they want to or not - assuming that the few others like me wearing a mask prefer to stay well.

The half-hearted management of Covid was about the best of what Labour has done. The processes followed at the beginning are how EVERY decision should be made. But no, advice from experts is ignored and those in power but without any knowledge of what they are doing, and very often with few life skills, push ahead anyway. Everything else they have done has put prices up, created housing shortages, increased crime, made cost of living more expensive, and so on. One of the next things to happen is the next round of rules for new house builds is forecast to increase joinery costs by 30% just for compliance.

I hope Labour gets a good new leader, but do also hope that they don't win the election. It will take National ages to get us back on track again - as always happens they make unpopular decisions out of necessity and then get criticised and voted out. I'm old enough to see the cycle, and old enough to see that the tit for tat of always blaming the previous government is usually weighted on the side of National's unpopularity for doing what's needed to fix Labour's cockups.

You seem to have completely glossed over the fact that the responsibilty for Labour's policies have been entirely personalised onto Jacinda which has resulted in a shitstorm of personal abuse that has made her position untenable. That is the totality of yesterday's events and your post continues on in that vein regardless.

[SueDonim]

Well my lambs are only selling for $150 each yet a leg of lamb at the supermarket will cost upwards of $90 and remember there are four on each animal.

Firearms she took the easy option and went after law abiding and legally licenced owners only and not any of the illegally owned guns used almost weekly by the gangs and remember it was the police who failed all of the law by not following the laws guidelines when issuing a certain nutter with a licence.

She also kept the borders open until after her photo opportunity so letting Covid get a toehold.

Those who know me from the other pub know that I'm usually a Labour supporter but she failed to impress me with anything she did apart from all the hugs and photo ops she did those real well and failed at just about everything else. How can you lead a country when you have never had a real job and so have no life experience to call on?

For starters the front legs of a lamb are processed as shoulders so either your farming or butchering knowledge is well off the mark.

Having had a gun licence for over 30 years it has always baffled me as to why the actual firearms aren't registered, just the licence holders, so authorities have no way of knowing what amount of weaponry an individual has in their possession, if any. The firearms regulations were well overdue for an overhaul and the strong and caring leader we had in Jacinda did well to lead the charge in the action now being taken. It will make life safer for every NZer.

Like so many critics of the current government you have personalised your dissatisfaction towards Jacinda and chosen to personally attack her and her past life. It is misguided individuals with similar twisted opinions like yours that have forced the best, most caring, selfless and genuine Prime Minister this country has had in living memory to quit the job in favour of her and her family's personal wellbeing. Take a good long look at yourself and your misdirected whingings and realise that governance of our country will become truly draconian if Luxon, Seymour, (and Peters) gain leadership. You only have yourselves to blame.

The problem with individual firearm registration is the out and out cost of it. In a cost-benefit analysis it is pointless. Our process of vetting people to ensure they are fit and proper is great if it is done properly. The problem is that it isn't done properly. If a person is "fit and proper" it doesn't matter whether they have one gun or 20. Or more.

You really do have rose-tinted glasses when it comes to the PM. So often the smile seems to be a flash of bared teeth. Usually when it's about something that is going to cost us big time.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

The Christchurch Call rose from an unprecedented terrorist act, and initiated changes on the international stage. This country stepped up right alongside an outstanding leader, but hey, run her down for it...

Covid was another unprecedent worldwide event that this country actually weathered better than most, but do we see any pats on the back for that?

I think history will judge Ardern as one of the strongest most notable PMs we've had after a long period where we had a dearth of statesmen like figures in leadership.

I almost wish I had voted for her.