Labour plunge to 4 year low in latest poll

[king1]

I also question how much you can really read into this poll when it is acknowledged it was taken immediately after someone got the boot and someone else was hauled over the coals...

timing was unfortunate, but as long as these issues are all dealt with now and not in the lead up to the election, then one might expect the polling won't be quite so anxiety inducing for the PM

[harm_less]

I do wonder what communication method these polling companies use to source their numbers from.

Landlines are no longer fit for purpose as they are increasingly the realm of the older and more well off members of our society.

Written surveys submitted by post definitely isn't going to include the younger voters as they've long since written off snail mail.

Cellphone is problematic and probably not useful as there is no reliable way to filter the poll in terms of location/electorate.

Over recent elections the results increasingly differ widely from what the pollsters predictions have been, so placing any reliance on any of the media related pre-election polls seems a leap of faith. As a politician a few years back said "the only poll that counts is the one on voting day".

Yes, all of this.   And another aspect is that these days many of us don't answer mobile calls from unknown numbers because we are wary of scammers and other nuisance calls.   This skews the data in favour of older people and computer-illiterate people, who tend to inhabit the same mindset.

If Labour, or more likely the Greens, can motivate the younger voters the election could be in the bag for them and likely the media won't see it coming.

That age group has the most to lose from NAct becoming the government because their dollar driven policies and lack of appreciation or respect for the environment risk us losing the ever shrinking possibility of bringing meaningful change to climate relevant measures. It is after all the younger generations that have the most to lose as the planet becomes increasingly less life supporting.

[Lilith7]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/13252307...-this-mess


"Some change was definitely needed back then. Forty years on, we must evaluate what worked and what didn’t.
The results are stark. We find ourselves overworked, unhappier, unhealthier, lonelier and more unequal and divided as a society.

Enough time has passed that we can now state that poverty, inequality and pollution aren’t bugs – they are in fact features of the system.

With our own election less than 100 days away, is anyone questioning this broken “business as usual” economy and proposing to install a new operating system?"



Time for change. Surely one of that lot can summon up the needed courage.

No they can’t/won’t

We have 1 major Political Party that has 2 flavors

Hopkins s***ing the bed about a 1.5% “Wealth Tax” sums up the nature of NZ Politics succinctly

No doubt they think that  they'll lose votes  if they have a wealth tax - but I'm sure there are more voters who'd be in favour than against it.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Interesting that te pati Maori and the Greens have spoken up about their disappointment. Might be interesting if either of the majors need a partner. Unfortunately though it does mean ACT could rule.

Interesting times.

[Lilith7]

Interesting that te pati Maori and the Greens have spoken up about their disappointment. Might be interesting if either of the majors need a partner. Unfortunately though it does mean ACT could rule.

Interesting times.

That would worry me; I don't have a high opinion of ACT & their leader lacks experience. And possibly commonsense.

Dunno about anyone else but I find I'm getting slightly fed up with decades of those 'interesting times'. I'd be happy to see a govt which decided to do more to end poverty NOW, & also do more to prevent further damage to the environment while working to fix the mess we've made NOW.

Fat chance.

[harm_less]

No doubt they think that  they'll lose votes  if they have a wealth tax - but I'm sure there are more voters who'd be in favour than against it.

This piece by Bernard Hickey sums up the situation very well: https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/13-07-...story-ends

[Lilith7]

No doubt they think that  they'll lose votes  if they have a wealth tax - but I'm sure there are more voters who'd be in favour than against it.

This piece by Bernard Hickey sums up the situation very well: https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/13-07-...story-ends

Really - "didn't have a mandate??!'
Since when has that ever stopped any politicians from doing anything they fancied from Muldoon's rent freeze to things like imposing - with brutal speed - Neo Liberalism on this country with zero prior warnings as to their intentions??!

He should have just gathered his courage & had the chutzpah to go with the  wealth tax - so sorely needed that even those few wealthy people with a social conscience have implored govt to raise their taxes.

Bloody politicians.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Gutless.

[R2x1]

. . . "Bloody politicians. "
. . . "Gutless."

Is there any other kind?

[Lilith7]

. . . "Bloody politicians. "
. . . "Gutless."

Is there any other kind?

There IS as it happens but not here sadly. And retired. I wish we could clone him; all politicians should  be more like him & we'd have fewer problems.





https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45195188

[joe 90]

Ilove being polled I lie every time & say im a long time labour supporter

[king1]

Ilove  being polled          I lie  every time    & say  im a  long time labour supporter

lol, and for every one of you there's a labour supporter doing the same...

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I don't bother lying. I don't see the point.

[C_T_Russell]

Yes, all of this.   And another aspect is that these days many of us don't answer mobile calls from unknown numbers because we are wary of scammers and other nuisance calls.   This skews the data in favour of older people and computer-illiterate people, who tend to inhabit the same mindset.

If Labour, or more likely the Greens, can motivate the younger voters the election could be in the bag for them and likely the media won't see it coming.

That age group has the most to lose from NAct becoming the government because their dollar driven policies and lack of appreciation or respect for the environment risk us losing the ever shrinking possibility of bringing meaningful change to climate relevant measures. It is after all the younger generations that have the most to lose as the planet becomes increasingly less life supporting.

I've been to many political meetings and the scary thing is that most people attending them are mostly old people with the exception of labour and the greens.
No wonder the radical left are pushing for a lower voting age as it guarantees them votes from that demographic.
Having a future run by these future Gretta Thungbergs is a cause for concern.

[Kenj]

If Labour, or more likely the Greens, can motivate the younger voters the election could be in the bag for them and likely the media won't see it coming.

That age group has the most to lose from NAct becoming the government because their dollar driven policies and lack of appreciation or respect for the environment risk us losing the ever shrinking possibility of bringing meaningful change to climate relevant measures. It is after all the younger generations that have the most to lose as the planet becomes increasingly less life supporting.

I've been to many political meetings and the scary thing is that most people attending them are mostly old people with the exception of labour and the greens.
No wonder the radical left are pushing for a lower voting age as it guarantees them votes from that demographic.
Having a future run by these future Gretta Thungbergs is a cause for concern.

I'd go along with your comment.

[Lilith7]

If Labour, or more likely the Greens, can motivate the younger voters the election could be in the bag for them and likely the media won't see it coming.

That age group has the most to lose from NAct becoming the government because their dollar driven policies and lack of appreciation or respect for the environment risk us losing the ever shrinking possibility of bringing meaningful change to climate relevant measures. It is after all the younger generations that have the most to lose as the planet becomes increasingly less life supporting.

I've been to many political meetings and the scary thing is that most people attending them are mostly old people with the exception of labour and the greens.
No wonder the radical left are pushing for a lower voting age as it guarantees them votes from that demographic.
Having a future run by these future Gretta Thungbergs is a cause for concern.

Seriously, the 'radical left??!'

So then you'd prefer that we do nothing at all to clean up our planet?

Greta Thunberg may be young, but trying to get humanity to clean up the mess we've made is hardly 'cause for concern'. The opposite in fact; the sooner we do fix the mess we've made, the better.

[C_T_Russell]

I've been to many political meetings and the scary thing is that most people attending them are mostly old people with the exception of labour and the greens.
No wonder the radical left are pushing for a lower voting age as it guarantees them votes from that demographic.
Having a future run by these future Gretta Thungbergs is a cause for concern.

Seriously, the 'radical left??!'

So then you'd prefer that we do nothing at all to clean up our planet?

Greta Thunberg may be young, but trying to get humanity to clean up the mess we've made is hardly 'cause for concern'. The opposite in fact; the sooner we do fix the mess we've made, the better.

I dont hear her going on about banning single usr plastics or pollution, but she is obsessed in climate change and co2, that stuff is all part of the carbon cycle and plants love the stuff. How about she does something more productive?
People are so obsessed in climate change for some stupid reason, when there are far more serious things to address.

[harm_less]

Seriously, the 'radical left??!'

So then you'd prefer that we do nothing at all to clean up our planet?

Greta Thunberg may be young, but trying to get humanity to clean up the mess we've made is hardly 'cause for concern'. The opposite in fact; the sooner we do fix the mess we've made, the better.

I dont hear her going on about banning single usr plastics or pollution, but she is obsessed in climate change and co2, that stuff is all part of the carbon cycle and plants love the stuff. How about she does something more productive?
People are so obsessed in climate change for some stupid reason, when there are far more serious things to address.

So what do you regard as being far more serious to address than keeping our planet habitable for most existing creatures including humans?

[C_T_Russell]

I dont hear her going on about banning single usr plastics or pollution, but she is obsessed in climate change and co2, that stuff is all part of the carbon cycle and plants love the stuff. How about she does something more productive?
People are so obsessed in climate change for some stupid reason, when there are far more serious things to address.

So what do you regard as being far more serious to address than keeping our planet habitable for most existing creatures including humans?

The climate has always changed, we have had ice ages may times over history, then it all melts away, sea levels habe risen and fallen many times too.
Only problem is humans are in far higher numbers now and have never planned ahead and build near the coast then complain.
I'm sick if all the propaganda it's all to install fear into people.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Bloody well ought to be frightened too. I know you like to discount science, but the evidence is all around us and people are starting to die. Like any catastrophe these things start slowly then speed up. Fortunately I'm old, I might just manage to die before I have to watch the death toll mount.

Because mount it will. And with it civilisation will be rocked, if not toppled...