Trump’s Orwellian Erasure of Women

[zqwerty]

"i suspect nobody’s making anything off you"

Not any more.

Shitty pay and socially toxic work place environments don't bring out the best in people.

[heisenberg]

"i suspect nobody’s making anything off you"

Not any more.

Shitty pay and socially toxic work place environments don't bring out the best in people.

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[Lilith7]

PM Ardern on how NZ will look under the 'traffic light' system -  wow what a wonderful Prime Minister we lost and now we have incoherent morons spouting platitudes as they implement the same old National Agenda.

The old fashioned belief that if we are all not heads down arse up then somehow we don't deserve an easy life.

That old 50's belief that we just keep slaving away, even though we have masses of new technology and much greater knowledge we haven't really got ahead of reality we still need to work twice as hard.

Yes but that is so the rich keep fleecing us and they have more money to spend whilst the poor just keep on working harder and the rich ride on our backs to even greater prosperity..

That reminded me of a line from a James K Baxter poem

"Riding with an iron saddle
On the backs of the poor"

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I have to confess I do not understand the antivax stance. It is to me a little flat earthy...

[heisenberg]

I have to confess I do not understand the antivax stance. It is to me a little flat earthy...

choice

[king1]

I have to confess I do not understand the antivax stance. It is to me a little flat earthy...

choice

and consequences...

Just like drunk driving

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Oh do not get me started on drunk driving. My deepest right wing side will come out and will not be reasoned with...

[zqwerty]

It's not a choice because the choice to not get vaccinated puts other people at risk, it's a collective responsibility within the group to be safe and thus keep others safe through the correct actions.

Anyone who doesn't take the correct actions should be thrown into isolation in prison or banished from the country, they are criminals.

[heisenberg]

It's not a choice because the choice to not get vaccinated puts other people at risk, it's a collective responsibility within the group to be safe and thus keep others safe through the correct actions.

Anyone who doesn't take the correct actions should be thrown into isolation in prison or banished from the country, they are criminals.

yes all those people with stars on straight to the gas chambers

[Praktica]

It's not a choice because the choice to not get vaccinated puts other people at risk, it's a collective responsibility within the group to be safe and thus keep others safe through the correct actions.

Anyone who doesn't take the correct actions should be thrown into isolation in prison or banished from the country, they are criminals.

yes all those people with stars on straight to the gas chambers

And there's the problem - equating a valid health protection measure with the most evil act of the 20th century. It shows toxic egoism and a complete lack of proportion.

[king1]

have to agree with Praktica, the two scenarios are worlds apart in terms of motive, purpose, and outcome for those affected...

But I have to disagree with zqwerty on prison/banishment (i'm sure he wasn't too serious about that) - I think the mandates and the outcomes for those who chose to be non-compliant were about right - those affected are still complaining about it three years on, that tells me mandates worked as intended.

[zqwerty]

So what do you do with those that choose to flaunt commonsense rules to protect the majority?

Let them wander around infecting others possibly like we saw with the big Islander families who had those big meals and celebrations and infected everyone who was at the party/events/weddings in a single night, remember them?

Being 75 years old with asthma and allergies is likely a death sentence if one gets Covid all because a few miscreants want to explore their personal freedoms and not comply with mandates that protect us all. Being young and stupid and not in the group which is most likely to be vulnerable to catching Covid does not absolve them of responsibility to honour their social duties.

Even now so many older people are dying in Rest Homes and Hospitals because not enough precautions are being taken.

[king1]

So what do you do with those that choose to flaunt commonsense rules to protect the majority?

Let them wander around infecting others possibly like we saw with the big Islander families who had those big meals and celebrations and infected everyone who was at the party/events/weddings in a single night, remember them?

well I am not sure what the best policy is for that scenario, but I do know that banishing them from the country would seem a bit harsh and out of proportion to the crime...

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I think collective responsibility is a real thing. It is one of the prices we pay as individuals for living in a society with all its benefits. It is like paying taxes, or obeying laws, or exercising common courtesy - just the other side of having security, clean streets, roads, and a free health system, among all the other things.

If you do not want those things, and are not open to paying for them, then go bush. Get a sail boat and take off into the wide blue solitude, don't hang around within that nice community bubble making use of all its benefits and then screech about being mandated to contribute, it's self centred and vaguely ridiculous behaviour for intelligent adults...

[zqwerty]

"out of proportion to the crime... "

killing someone/more than one possibly by giving them Covid you mean.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

So what do you do with those that choose to flaunt commonsense rules to protect the majority?

Let them wander around infecting others possibly like we saw with the big Islander families who had those big meals and celebrations and infected everyone who was at the party/events/weddings in a single night, remember them?

Being 75 years old with asthma and allergies is likely a death sentence if one gets Covid all because a few miscreants want to explore their personal freedoms and not comply with mandates that protect us all.  Being young and stupid and not in the group which is most likely to be vulnerable to catching Covid does not absolve them of responsibility to honour their social duties.

Even now so many older people are dying in Rest Homes and Hospitals because not enough precautions are being taken.

There will always be people who break rules, ignore social responsibility, injure or kill others. Expecting society to always protect us as individuals is almost as silly as deliberately acting against social responsibility. It works both ways.

And for the record, it wasn't just Pasifika breaking the mandate. Your racism is showing.

[zqwerty]

No it wasn't racist it was a fact that because they gather in large unprotected groups, at parties and live collectively in large social groups because of tribal backgrounds they were just more likely to catch Covid and they did, do you not remember that? There were quite a few instances of large wedding groups getting Covid in one night because no one was vaccinated.

Pasifika and Maori up North round the Bay of Islands didn't get vaccines until later because it's not in their culture and also vaccination points were few and far between.
Pasifika weren't breaking mandate consciously it was early on in the Covid episode and lots of people weren't vaccinated, I don't think in some cases that the Vaccines had even been produced, but the behaviours and episodes shows how easily the virus can pass on when no precautions are taken and there are large groups. It only takes one sick/infectious person to infect a whole group in the wrong situation is what I am trying to show and that still applies now. If everyone is vaccinated then the chance of anyone catching the virus goes way down.

Pasifika in the end were getting vaccinated in their cars when they drove up to garages up North because of the emergency of the situation, don't you remember that?

The old ladies lying ill in rest homes, (there are always way more women than men in any old age situation), get Covid from their nurses who moonlight at the hospitals.

[Olive]

zqwerty

There will always be people who break rules, ignore social responsibility, injure or kill others. Expecting society to always protect us as individuals is almost as silly as deliberately acting against social responsibility. It works both ways.

And for the record, it wasn't just Pasifika breaking the mandate. Your racism is showing.

It certainly wasn't.   In the small town where I live one of the earliest Covid outbreaks took place after an irresponsible St Patrick's Day gathering at a local pub.  I would say there was a cross-section of the pakeha community there and the long Covid effects are still being dealt with now.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Yes. And then there were the pakeha weddings.

You know, if we just eliminated the adjectives we'd go a long way to being a more mature society. People are people, their skin colour, or culture really doesn't make them that different to you or me.

[zqwerty]

We are all the same of course, we're the same creature with the same biology but very different behaviours between groups all over the world and here in NZ as well