Pay Equity, Marilyn Waring

[Lilith7]

Has set up a "people's own select committee' on this govt's pay equity changes.

"She said they would be aiming to gather evidence the govt should have"....that should prove interesting.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/5621...ng-cliches

[zqwerty]

I'm amazed there isn't rioting in the streets, Pay Equity was so important and to see it shoved to one side by this extreme right wing government so easily and without fuss is beyond belief.

[heisenberg]

I'm amazed there isn't rioting in the streets, Pay Equity was so important and to see it shoved to one side by this extreme right wing government so easily and without fuss is beyond belief.

yea lets compare female cleaners with male surgeons

[Lilith7]

I'm amazed there isn't rioting in the streets, Pay Equity was so important and to see it shoved to one side by this extreme right wing government so easily and without fuss is beyond belief.

Indeed - although I get the feeling that this govt will get theirs...

[zqwerty]

Nobodies saying that heisenberg, that's being deliberately silly, if women are in a job and men in the same job are getting 20% more which is often the case they should be getting equal pay.

Obviously there would be no issue with a woman brain surgeon or a male one they both would be getting the same pay, wouldn't they?

"yea lets compare female cleaners with male surgeons"

women and men cleaners should get the same pay, ditto with brain surgeons, or course brain surgeons will get a lot more than cleaners.

Sometimes I think that you think that I am stupid.

I used to work as a cleaner, in the end I left because I couldn't keep the pace up across multiple dwellings over a days work day after day, I didn't have the stamina, the women I was working with had no such problem on the same duties.

[Praktica]

I'm amazed there isn't rioting in the streets, Pay Equity was so important and to see it shoved to one side by this extreme right wing government so easily and without fuss is beyond belief.

yea lets compare female cleaners with male surgeons

Without operating theatre cleaners, surgeons can't operate...

[zqwerty]

Yes everyone in the society is interdependent on all the others, surgeons on cleaners for instance, and as such, mandates need to be obeyed by all whether they like it or not.

It's called a public duty. When you're told to by the powers that be, for heavens sake get vaccinated.

[heisenberg]

yea lets compare female cleaners with male surgeons

Without operating theatre cleaners, surgeons can't operate...

so we bump the cleaners pay up a few hundred k do we, can’t have those greedy surgeons making all that money

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Well, no, we don't. We make a fairer tax system, that lets everyone be paid a decent wage for the work they do, irrespective of their gender. One that recognises the value of that work to the community. A surgeon's work is already valued, so should be the work a cleaner does. Or a caregiver, or nurse, or early childhood teacher.

It's about fairness not greed. About the work, not who does it.

[Lilith7]

Well, no, we don't. We make a fairer tax system, that lets everyone be paid a decent wage for the work they do, irrespective of their gender. One that recognises the value of that work to the community. A surgeon's work is already valued, so should be the work a cleaner does. Or a caregiver, or nurse, or early childhood teacher.

It's about fairness not greed. About the work, not who does it.

Exactly; Time we recognised that we do all depend on one another.

And getting our politicians to take a turn at, for example,cleaning now & then might help them to stay focused on the reality for some voters.

[heisenberg]

Well, no, we don't. We make a fairer tax system, that lets everyone be paid a decent wage for the work they do, irrespective of their gender. One that recognises the value of that work to the community. A surgeon's work is already valued, so should be the work a cleaner does. Or a caregiver, or nurse, or early childhood teacher.

It's about fairness not greed. About the work, not who does it.

Exactly; Time we recognised that we do all depend on one another.

And getting our politicians to take a turn at, for example,cleaning now & then might help them to stay focused on the reality for some voters.

i assume you only mean the current coalition government politicians not those caring labour green partly maori politicians

[Oh_hunnihunni]

No, I mean us. All of us. Governments come and go, policies though are built on perceived public interests. Satisfying those leads to political success. So if an idea becomes popular, and gains media support, polling support, and filters up to the leadership it gets adopted - because they want to be popular.

Fairness is part of our national identity. Sometimes it gets lost under other layers like dislike, and greed, and ambition, and racism and more greed, but mostly, New Zealanders are fair people. That is why we have become a socialist type of welfare state.

So, if we recognise that equity is about fairness, and doesn't take away from anyone else's rights or hopes, or potential, then it becomes mainstream. Like the changes to marriage laws. Like women's reproductive rights. Like the slow but unstoppable move towards accepting a capital gains tax.

If we want it, it will happen.

[Lilith7]

Exactly; Time we recognised that we do all depend on one another.

And getting our politicians to take a turn at, for example,cleaning now & then might help them to stay focused on the reality for some voters.

i assume you only mean the current coalition government politicians not those caring labour green partly maori politicians

WHY would you assume that? I used the words 'our politicians' & last time I looked,they came in all stripes...

[Jan]

Thought I would add my two bobs worth with a couple of relevant links that cut through the massive amount of misinformation- my grandaughter was appointed to the advisory board 6 years ago - she is an employment lawyer who has worked very closely with James Shaw
The facts speak for themselves that the legislation became completely unworkable after the previous givt decided to give the lawyers and union delegates access to millions of dollars of expenses able to be claimed - consequently only 10 claims were settled in six years - 6 of these supposedly settled already have remedial claims lodged against them
This link is so very clear what was happening - that’s the nurses union
https://www.nzno.org.nz/about_us/media_r...rt-workers
This link shows that despite the claims the govt sprung the legislative changes on both sides of the fence - simply isn’t true

https://www.education.govt.nz/education-...ion-sector

Another link showing at least one labour politician is acknowledging the truth about the funding - Robertson advised the board in Sept 2023 that the funding would not be extended past June 2025 - so no matter which govt had won the election the process that had got very badly out of control was going to end

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/l...7VQVQOPSA/

It sickens me that women are being used as a political football - there was cross party support for the legislation and if the changes had not been made in 2022 who knows how much success the board would have had .It’s interesting on the same day Robertson advised Kiwirail there would be no funds for the completion of that project he also emailed the advisory board their work was also coming to an end .
Let’s hope some good will come from Marylyn Waring - she was always a very straight shooter

[Olive]

Marilyn Waring is one of the very few National politicians that I respect.   I am greatly heartened by her initiative in setting up this committee.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could hear a debate between Waring and Willis!   I doubt Willis would agree to one though.

[Jan]

Marilyn Waring is one of the very few National politicians that I respect.   I am greatly heartened by her initiative in setting up this committee.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could hear a debate between Waring and Willis!   I doubt Willis would agree to one though.

The time for debating was over in 2017 when there was cross party support - no more debate needed - need to stick to the plan - chop the legal slush fund off at the knees and get the settlements finalised - playing politics is exactly what isn’t needed in my opinion -

[Oh_hunnihunni]

If they settle that is. Seems to me avoiding that was the point of this hasty bit of slashing, and doing it under urgency sure seems to support that opinion.

Sneaky bit of political rug pulling...

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Marilyn Waring is one of the very few National politicians that I respect.   I am greatly heartened by her initiative in setting up this committee.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could hear a debate between Waring and Willis!   I doubt Willis would agree to one though.

She's an interesting woman to chat with, I used to bump into her when I was at AUT on occasion, being of a similar age surrounded by masses of 20 somethings gave us a lot in common, besides our politics. She is one of those very easy to talk with people, perfect for this job.

[Lilith7]

Marilyn Waring is one of the very few National politicians that I respect.   I am greatly heartened by her initiative in setting up this committee.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could hear a debate between Waring and Willis!   I doubt Willis would agree to one though.

Now that would be worth watching...