Jack Tame do we want a privatised health system

[Lilith7]

Ever more blatant about their vicious Neo Liberal agenda, this disgraceful govt is moving ever closer to privatised health. They're no longer bothering to disguise their quest for ever more profit.

Phil & Sue Bagshaw set up the charity hopsital here, & are well respected. I suspect if David Seymour attacks these two, he may be very surprised at the reaction.

Very clearly privatised health isn't in any way at all a good idea - apart from making money. I think they make an excellent point in that private health Drs will lack experience.
And there has been zero consultation on this issue - why not? Is it because most of us do NOT WANT privatised health?

Really, apart from some very, very wealthy people - does anyone want a privatised health system? Wouldn't we be better to pay a bit more tax, sufficient to cover health & education as some of the Scandinavian countries do.


Jack Tame, Q&A with Dr Sue Bagshaw & Dr Phil Bagshaw.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI1cYi69upI

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I don't understand this. Those who can afford private care can access it. Those who cannot have waiting lists.

Use private hospitals to clear the backlog, but do it on a short term basis and negotiate accordingly. If ACC can why can't Health?

Oh, and tax the rich.

[heisenberg]

Ever more blatant about their vicious Neo Liberal agenda, this disgraceful govt is moving ever closer to privatised health. They're no longer bothering to disguise their quest for ever more profit.

Phil & Sue Bagshaw set up the charity hopsital here, & are well respected. I suspect if David Seymour attacks these two, he may be very surprised at the reaction.

Very clearly privatised health isn't in any way at all a good idea - apart from making money. I think they make an excellent point in that private health Drs will lack experience.
And there has been zero consultation on this issue - why not? Is it because most of us do NOT WANT privatised health?

Really, apart from some very, very wealthy people - does anyone want a privatised health system? Wouldn't we be better to pay a bit more tax, sufficient to cover health & education as some of the Scandinavian countries do.


Jack Tame, Q&A with Dr Sue Bagshaw & Dr Phil Bagshaw.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI1cYi69upI

we already pAy enough tax its what its spent on that needs prioritised

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Some people though heisenberg pay no tax at all. On purpose.

That should change. Paying tax is a privilege. It means we are able to contribute to the cost of all those benefits being part of the community gives us. Got to earn it to pay it, after all...

[Lilith7]

I don't understand this. Those who can afford private care can access it. Those who cannot have waiting lists.

Use private hospitals to clear the backlog, but do it on a short term basis and negotiate accordingly. If ACC can why can't Health?

Oh, and tax the rich.

The problem is that those on the waiting lists can also die from having to wait too long. While I agree with using private hospitals to clear the backlog, there's a problem as Sue Bagshaw said, with  Dr's in private hospitals not getting the experience others do in various types of illnesses.

I think raising taxes & using them to properly fund both health & education is the only reasonable & realistic way  to fix the situation, rather than allowing these greed crazed fools to privatise everything not nailed down.

ONE term govt....

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Ever more blatant about their vicious Neo Liberal agenda, this disgraceful govt is moving ever closer to privatised health. They're no longer bothering to disguise their quest for ever more profit.

Phil & Sue Bagshaw set up the charity hopsital here, & are well respected. I suspect if David Seymour attacks these two, he may be very surprised at the reaction.

Very clearly privatised health isn't in any way at all a good idea - apart from making money. I think they make an excellent point in that private health Drs will lack experience.
And there has been zero consultation on this issue - why not? Is it because most of us do NOT WANT privatised health?

Really, apart from some very, very wealthy people - does anyone want a privatised health system? Wouldn't we be better to pay a bit more tax, sufficient to cover health & education as some of the Scandinavian countries do.


Jack Tame, Q&A with Dr Sue Bagshaw & Dr Phil Bagshaw.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI1cYi69upI

we already pAy enough tax its what its spent on that needs prioritised

Everyone needs to pay their fair share of tax - including the ultra rich. And the top priorities for taxes should always be health & education.

But there are those who avoid paying their fair share of taxes & that has to change.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Ever more blatant about their vicious Neo Liberal agenda, this disgraceful govt is moving ever closer to privatised health. They're no longer bothering to disguise their quest for ever more profit.

Phil & Sue Bagshaw set up the charity hopsital here, & are well respected. I suspect if David Seymour attacks these two, he may be very surprised at the reaction.

Very clearly privatised health isn't in any way at all a good idea - apart from making money. I think they make an excellent point in that private health Drs will lack experience.
And there has been zero consultation on this issue - why not? Is it because most of us do NOT WANT privatised health?

Really, apart from some very, very wealthy people - does anyone want a privatised health system? Wouldn't we be better to pay a bit more tax, sufficient to cover health & education as some of the Scandinavian countries do.


Jack Tame, Q&A with Dr Sue Bagshaw & Dr Phil Bagshaw.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI1cYi69upI

we already pAy enough tax its what its spent on that needs prioritised

We might, but do our wealthiest families do as well? Imagine what we could do if they did pay the same rate of taxation that the average person does!

Ask someone who has actually done those sums, researched the idea, and still advocates for it - 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMEkipWT2..._copy_link

[Lilith7]

we already pAy enough tax its what its spent on that needs prioritised

We might, but do our wealthiest families do as well? Imagine what we could do if they did pay the same rate of taxation that the average person does!

Ask someone who has actually done those sums, researched the idea, and still advocates for it - 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMEkipWT2..._copy_link

She's not wrong.

This govt seems to be entirely composed of devious blardy b'stards.

[heisenberg]

make the maori corps, charity’s, religious corps pay the same as everyone else as well then

it doesn’t matter how much tax is paid if its pissed away


https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/18-03-2025...-than-ever#

[Oh_hunnihunni]

make the maori corps, charity’s, religious corps  pay the same as everyone else as well then

it doesn’t matter how much tax is paid if its pissed away


https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/18-03-2025...-than-ever#

Totally agree. Remove all tax exemptions. Make the system fair for everyone.

As for pissing it away, if you disagree with the way our taxes are spent, then step up. It is pretty pointless whinging if you are not prepared to get political. Even stand for office if you have the skills and the drive.

After all, it can't be that hard. Look at the dumbarses doing the work now. 

[harm_less]

make the maori corps, charity’s, religious corps  pay the same as everyone else as well then

it doesn’t matter how much tax is paid if its pissed away


https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/18-03-2025...-than-ever#

I don't see anything in that Spinoff article to suggest Maori enterprises are paying less tax than any comparable businesses so I find your accusation disingenuous at best. If you can point us towards evidence to the contrary I'm open to reconsideration. 

Tax free status for churches is a whole different issue and I fully agree with them paying their fair share on their 'earnings'.

[Lilith7]

make the maori corps, charity’s, religious corps  pay the same as everyone else as well then

it doesn’t matter how much tax is paid if its pissed away


https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/18-03-2025...-than-ever#

I don't see anything in that Spinoff article to suggest Maori enterprises are paying less tax than any comparable businesses so I find your accusation disingenuous at best. If you can point us towards evidence to the contrary I'm open to reconsideration. 

Tax free status for churches is a whole different issue and I fully agree with them paying their fair share on their 'earnings'.

Best not hold your breath while waiting...

Agree with regard to churches; they need to be paying taxes.
Especially The Tamaki lot..

[heisenberg]

I don't see anything in that Spinoff article to suggest Maori enterprises are paying less tax than any comparable businesses so I find your accusation disingenuous at best. If you can point us towards evidence to the contrary I'm open to reconsideration. 

Tax free status for churches is a whole different issue and I fully agree with them paying their fair share on their 'earnings'.

Best not hold your breath while waiting...

Agree with regard to churches; they need to be paying taxes.
Especially The Tamaki lot..

17.5%

https://www.ird.govt.nz/roles/maori-authorities

[harm_less]

Best not hold your breath while waiting...

Agree with regard to churches; they need to be paying taxes.
Especially The Tamaki lot..

17.5%

https://www.ird.govt.nz/roles/maori-authorities

Those IRD guidelines look little different to those for other trust structures, as commonly used as tax shelters by well heeled individuals, families and other private entities, though probably more closely scrutinised in the case of semi public applications such as Māori authorities.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

And there is the cultural reason underpinning that status, like it or not.

Which isn't something the other privileged groups can claim.

[heisenberg]

And there is the cultural reason underpinning that status, like it or not.

Which isn't something the other privileged groups can claim.

so you Only want "other" people to pay more tax

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Well, a fair tax system would eliminate obvious disparities like billionaires paying a lower rate than the woman who cleans their bathrooms, surely?

But if creating that fairer system means I pay more, then okay, do that. I really do believe that having the income that means we pay taxes, is a privilege. Contributing to the community is a privilege. I don't understand this need some have to avoid it. For me that's just theft, plain and simple.

[heisenberg]

pretty sure billionares pay muito tax

[Lilith7]

And there is the cultural reason underpinning that status, like it or not.

Which isn't something the other privileged groups can claim.

so you Only want "other" people to pay more tax

Fairly large assumption there...


I tend towards the view that everyone should pay tax in accordance with their income; someone on a large income pays more, those on low incomes will pay less so that everyone contributes.

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Well, a fair tax system would eliminate obvious disparities like billionaires paying a lower rate than the woman who cleans their bathrooms, surely?

But if creating that fairer system means I pay more, then okay, do that. I really do believe that having the income that means we pay taxes, is a privilege. Contributing to the community is a privilege. I don't understand this need some have to avoid it. For me that's just theft, plain and simple.

Absolutely. Why anyone balks at helping others is something of a mystery, but I suspect teaching empathy in schools might help with that, eventually.

[heisenberg]

so you Only want "other" people to pay more tax

Fairly large assumption there...


I tend towards the view that everyone should pay tax in accordance with their income; someone on a large income pays more, those on low incomes will pay less so that everyone contributes.

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Well, a fair tax system would eliminate obvious disparities like billionaires paying a lower rate than the woman who cleans their bathrooms, surely?

But if creating that fairer system means I pay more, then okay, do that. I really do believe that having the income that means we pay taxes, is a privilege. Contributing to the community is a privilege. I don't understand this need some have to avoid it. For me that's just theft, plain and simple.

Absolutely. Why anyone balks at helping others is something of a mystery, but I suspect teaching empathy in schools might help with that, eventually.

as i was told earlier if you arnt happy with the taxation rules run for government and change them

Nobody balks at helping others

[Removed:Rule 2A]

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Well, if we're are going to call each other idiots, I'll show you mine if you show me yours heisenberg. Did you know only 5% of the population have post grad tertiary degrees? Sad, that. We should be a better educated nation.

As for running, I don't do a lot of that these days on account of being old and decrepit, but that is why I support the young and beautifuls over in the Green party. Loudly and constantly.

Except when they're a bit weird...

Btw I told you if you are unhappy with the way our taxes are spent...