What will it take?

[SueDonim]

The thing is the vaccine does clearly reduce hospitalisation but it also clearly causes harm to some people.  Therefore, it needs to be a personal choice like medical treatment has generally been in free open societies.  My point re. the limited benefit to others of a person being vaccinated is relevant as that determines whether or not it is reasonable for society to impose its collective will on the individual.  In this case, there is just no clear scientific evidence that you're at greater risk of catching Covid from someone choosing to remain unvaccinated (and soon even those who choose not to get the third dose will also be classified as "not fully vaccinated") than you are from a fully vaccinated person.  Therefore, it is immoral to limit peoples freedoms based on their personal choice in this matter.

And to the "it's just a little jab, what are you afraid of" comments: it is equally valid to say "it's just a cold, what are you afraid of", particularly with regard to Omicron.

and generally speaking this is a free and open society - if you choose not to be treated for Herpes no one will care -  but covid is different and highly transmissible without much effort, and life threatening to some - you should not be surprised to have restrictions imposed on you by society if you choose not to get vaccinated...   

The key difference here is where you say " there is just no clear scientific evidence ", we (the other 95%) say " Abundance of caution".  

If you choose not to treat your herpes, you still have a responsibility to take care not to pass it to others. If you choose to not be vaccinated against Covid, you have a responsibility to avoid infecting others, including your family.

Because the disease is so infectious and now so widespread, Society, in the form of the Government, has enabled a reasonable compromise in that everyone, vaccinated or not, can still go about the necessities of daily life, but that some high-risk situations and social contact should be limited for those who don't have vaccine protection. That is perfectly reasonable. And the wearing of masks is simple common sense, but as usual some don't have any common sense.

"...it is equally valid to say "it's just a cold, what are you afraid of", particularly with regard to Omicron." It's bad enough that we have evolved a culture that accepts people passing on their common cold rather than keeping to themselves, but this cannot be compared to Omicron in any way. Omicron is exhibiting the potential to be milder than the alpha variant, but the difference is largely due to vaccination. In CAN still KILL, especially in unvaccinated people. And even those who have a mild illness may still get long covid which doesn't happen after a simple cold.

"...[whether or not it is reasonable for society to impose its collective will on the individual]...". We impose our collective will on the individual in lots of areas, both with regard to safety and also just the daily rules that allow us freedoms that also require us to not impact negatively on other people, the environment and all sorts of things. We accept road rules. We accept seatbelts. We accept drug laws. We accept ........ [the list goes on, with "We" = to the majority of people].

Unvaccinated people run a greater risk of catching covid, of being seriously ill from it and even of dying. In taking that risk they run a greater risk of impacting wider society by passing it on to others, or by using hospital/medical services that they would otherwise not need. The risk of having the vaccine is miniscule compared to the risk of serious and/or long term impact from covid.

The bottom line is that there was no mandate to force people to get vaccinated. Just rules put in place to try to protect those who are unprotected, and to a limited degree everyone else as well. If they don't like it, get vaccinated. If they don't want to be vaccinated, then stay home where it's safe.

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the unvaxxed think its a punishment.
its not, its a health measure. if they choose to ignore it thats fine.
but for those of us who dont want to ignore the science/leadership the need to remain isolated from the unvaxxed is paramount. i dont believe for one minute that the odds of vaccine leading to significant health problems make it untenable. a little discomfort i exchange for what. i do not want to hear nit pick about this case or that case. one in millions. fact.
those who dont ignore the science cannot cater to the bottom 5%. sorry. i keep hearing about fair.
is it fair to compromise someone elses health? is it fair to hinder people going about their business with no finite end in sight?
After this protesting shit the publics mood has gone from ambivalence about the anti's, to dislike. they shot themselves in their unshod dirty foot.

This. With bells on.