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Roe vs Wade overturned
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I was just reading this article about El Salvador earlier, an example of how badly it can go wrong down this path...
Quote:In February, four women sat down before the full glare of El Salvador's press. Between them, they had served nearly 50 years in prison.

Their crime was to have the misfortune of suffering a miscarriage - in a country with one of the strictest abortion laws in the world.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61798330
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(28-06-2022, 02:40 PM)king1 Wrote: I was just reading this article about El Salvador earlier, an example of how badly it can go wrong down this path...
Quote:In February, four women sat down before the full glare of El Salvador's press. Between them, they had served nearly 50 years in prison.

Their crime was to have the misfortune of suffering a miscarriage - in a country with one of the strictest abortion laws in the world.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61798330
Unbelievably cruel. Most south American countries tend to be catholic & so are often against contraception as well as abortion. Its an anti female religion in many ways.



This American says that what's happened there is against their constitution, because its essentially based on religious views. In his opinion, American conservatives have been planning & working towards  this for 40 odd years.
Very, very strange & narrow minded people who on the one hand claim 'sanctity of life' is what concerns them, while on the other hand ignoring that this idiocy will mean that woman will certainly die. Apparently, their lives aren't quite so important as is that of the cells with the potential to later become a baby.


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This is scary reading & reminds me strongly of Nazi Germany.

https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377...26.851425/

"It will be as difficult for states to prevent residents from obtaining abortion pills as it has been to control access to drugs of other kinds. This is so, in the first instance, because these medications are freely available in pro-choice states.

Foreign sellers will also send pills into pro-life states. Feminist networks in Mexico are already helping pregnant women in Texas. Aid Access, an organization founded by a Dutch physician, ships abortion drugs to American women in all 50 states through a pharmacy located in India. As demand has spiked in anticipation of the fall of Roe, Aid Access has begun to help women stockpile pills for future use.

As evidence mounts that residents are skirting their laws, pro-life states will act ever more aggressively. They will enact “bounty hunter” laws that reward people for reporting women who end pregnancies and the providers who assist them. They will make it a crime to help pregnant women obtain abortion pills from other states and incarcerate violators.
Following the model developed for incidents of child abuse, they will impose mandatory reporting requirements on doctors, lawyers, and other professionals who learn about abortions. They will use police forces, wiretaps, and sting operations to track down and arrest domestic distributors of abortion drugs.
They will imprison young women who violate their rules. They will search cell phones and subpoena records from companies that support the health and fitness apps that women use to track their periods and contraception use.

If Republicans regain control of the Presidency and Congress, there is sure to be action on this front. The resulting infringements on liberty will be even more severe. Luggage searches like those used to find drugs, explosives, and cash will be conducted at airports and immigration points.

Federal agents will monitor websites that receive frequent visits from young women, track financial transactions, freeze assets, and bring other tools developed during the War on Drugs to bear.

When these efforts have only limited success, measures like those employed in modern-day China will seem appealing. The federal government may cut off access to websites that are suspected of helping women obtain abortions or pills. It may require women of child-bearing age to use approved apps to keep track of their menstrual cycles, contraceptive use, and sexual partners. It may develop algorithms that sift enormous blocks of data looking for women whose personal traits—age, race, ethnicity, zip code, credit rating, income, or secularism—make them especially likely to want abortions.

If these suggestions seem fanciful, until recently the idea that Idaho and Texas would put bounties on young women’s heads must have seemed preposterous too. And it was even more farfetched to think that federal courts would allow such laws to take effect before Roe was overruled. But both extraordinary developments occurred, and the history of the War on Drugs offers little reason to hope that courts will prohibit the use of other invasive, liberty-destroying measures."



Meanwhile, the blue states are preparing to become safe havens

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/...egislature

"So far in 2022, at least nine Democrat-controlled legislatures have passed legislation affirming that abortion is a legal right, protecting those who seek abortions and perform them, and expanding access to the procedure, sometimes using considerable public funding."
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